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Where Bullion Investing And Coin Collecting Merge – PART 2

By Al Doyle on April 30, 2012 6:31 AM

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by Al Doyle for CoinWeek

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Collectors with a hard money mentality who want to go beyond familiar series such as the American silver Eagle and Canadian Maple Leaf have a growing number of options when it comes to one-ounce silver pieces.

It could take some time to obtain all the silver coinage struck by the Royal Australian Mint. The native kookaburra bird has been featured on the $1 since 1992. The design changes each year, so this is a series with a great deal of variety. Mintages (especially for the privy-marked “Kooks”) are somewhat lower than for other well-known silver bullion coins, so expect to pay more for the scarcer dates.

How many other nations offer a second option in silver bullion? Not surprisingly, the kangaroo is the subject of an Australian one-ounce silver piece. As with the Kookaburra, the design changes each year on the Kangaroo $1. This is an eye-catching series with a distinctly Aussie theme. The cuddly koala bear is extremely popular, and a silver version joined the gold Koala in 2009.

Unless a collector is extremely focused, a diversion into some of the other Australian silver of the past 20 years will be hard to resist. There are a number of proof 50-cent pieces – including some square ones – that weigh in with a half ounce of silver. If big is better, go for Kookaburras from two ounces up to a kilo.

Austria’s Philharmonic became one of the world’s best-selling silver coins within months of its 2008 debut. Combine an ounce of silver with the mix of musical instruments on the reverse plus the high quality of Austrian Mint products, and you’ve got something with broad appeal. This design would become even more of a magnet for collectors in a proof finish. The face value of 1.50 euro is something that may catch the attention of those who like the odd and unusual.

Thanks to a market that extends beyond traditional numismatists, silver Pandas struck by the People’s Republic of China are generally priced at premiums that take the series beyond bullion coin status.

First offered in 1983, not all of the 10 yuan Pandas weigh in at an even ounce. Ever-changing designs makes the series especially appealing to anyone who isn’t locked into collecting identical-looking date sets. Smaller 5 yuan Pandas have been struck since 1993. Uncirculated and proof silver Pandas have been struck, and the PandaAmerica web site along with the Standard Catalog of World Coins are the places to view the different reverses and find mintage figures. If the full set is too much of a financial commitment, you could add a Panda or two to your holdings as type coins.

Like China, the Isle of Man has successfully tapped into the animal lover market through coin sales. In this case, it has been cats since 1988, when the native Manx cat (known for not having a tail) kicked off the one-ounce silver series. Since then, more than 20 cat breeds – including the 1900 “alley cat” of unknown and thoroughly mixed pedigree – have appeared on the 1-crown pieces.

Kittens have made a few appearances, and a wide assortment of Isle of Man coinage is struck by the privately owned Pobjoy Mint. Struck in BU and proof versions, silver Cats aren’t as common as other one-ounce products, so assembling a complete set may take some persistence.

Although mintages are more in keeping with a collectible rather than a bullion coin, the Britannia is popular with hard money investors as well as numismatists. The national symbol is elegantly displayed on silver in an ever-changing mix of portraits. Debuting in 1997 as a proof-only product, business strikes were issued the following year. An unusual fineness of .958 (23 parts silver to one part copper) and a face value of 2 pounds makes the Britannia stand out from the competition.

Fractionals are struck for inclusion in proof sets and are sometimes available as singles in the secondary market. If the British Royal Mint ever decided to make the Britannia a .999 fine one-ounce silver piece with a price comparable to the Eagle, Maple Leaf and Philharmonic, they would have a big seller on their hands.

Who would have guessed that Zambia would issue a continuous run of one-ounce silver coinage? The African Wildlife series featuring elephants and other native animals has been around since 1999. Struck by a private German mint, the Zambian coinage carries a face value of 5000 kwacha, and it’s definitely something the average collector doesn’t own.

Rare Coin Road Warrior – Change is Good

By Vic Bozarth on April 26, 2012 6:43 AM

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Dear Rare Coin Enthusiast,

In this month’s Rare Coin Road Warrior I want to discuss a couple of ‘key’ developments in the business. First, I am going to ‘revisit’ my market report from earlier this month titled “GIGO”. Second, I am going to talk about the news from the Central States Coin Show last week in the Chicago area including the new Ebay announcements and the ratification of PNG ‘bylaw’ changes in regard to ‘Coin Doctoring’. Lastly, I am going to talk about the coin show schedule from a ‘dealer’s’ perspective.

Part One

Do you remember your first copy of the Greysheet? Did you get a ‘copy’ from another dealer? Did you get an older issue from a fellow collector? I picked one up out of a trash can at a show. I was probably 13 years old. At that point in my numismatic ‘career’, I couldn’t afford a subscription and often carried around an ‘out of date’ Coin Dealer Newsletter for weeks.

Do you recall the feeling you had when you got that first ‘Greysheet’? I do and the feeling was ‘pretty cool’! I vividly remember that ‘feeling’ and it kind of went like this….Wow, now I have ALL the information that the other (because I was a dealer now) coin dealers have. Remember the movie ‘The Jerk’ with Steve Martin? The line in the movie was ‘The new phone books are here….now I am somebody’. Although the analogy along with dialogue from the movie isn’t exactly right, I hope you get my point. The Greysheet IS important to the coin business and always has been.

Earlier this month in my Rare Coin Market Report, I berated Coin Dealer Newsletter/The ‘Greysheet’ for inaccurate and ‘out of date’ information. Although I am ‘sticking to my guns’ so to speak on what is wrong with the Coin Dealer Newsletter, there are a lot of things that are RIGHT.

We are part of the information age whether we like it or not. In the mid-seventies when I was a teenager, the Greysheet was the ‘TELL ALL’ sheet of the coin business. Fast forward nearly 40 years and the folks at the Coin Dealer Newsletter are still producing a quality product on a weekly basis that, more often than not, people depend on for pricing information. Most dealers at shows readily welcome the ‘new’ Greysheets distributed by the show producers, although many larger dealers have the information at their finger tips on their laptops or I-pads and don’t consider the information ‘timely’ anymore. Yet the majority of the coin market ‘still’ considers the Greysheet the point at which ALL negotiations start.

In this ‘what have you done for me lately’ world, the Coin Dealer Newletter attempts to satisfy this insatiable need for information. The problem with ‘any’ information is interpretation and accuracy.

Part Two

The Central States Show has been a rare coin circuit BIGGY for decades. The CSNS Show has seen incredible activity like the stellar show last year at Rosemont, IL to market crash in ‘Stinkin’ Lincoln in 1980. The CSNS Show has often been a pivotal show for the rare coin business. The CSNS Show brings out virtually ALL the major players. Because of the “Central” location, the show itself appeals to both large and small dealers and much like the FUN (Florida United Numismatist’s) Show in January, brings out many dealers who don’t normally attend shows. While the FUN Show has the big ‘sun and fun’ aspect going for it in the ‘dead’ of Winter, the CSNS Show has that ‘big shoulders’ kind of feel to it-PERFECT for Chicago right?

This year’s CSNS Show was held in Schaumburg, IL for the first time at a newer Renaissance Hotel and Convention Center. The reviews in regard to the location were MIXED at best. I will get into the specific ‘nuts and bolts’ parts to the show in part three later in my article. Let’s talk about what happened at the show.

The Professional Numismatists Guild held one of their general meetings prior to the PNG Day at CSNS. Only a few shows, like CSNS and the ANA, hold PNG Days prior to the general opening and set-up of their respective shows. Ebay sponsored the luncheon at the PNG meeting and Gene Cook from Ebay addressed the PNG. Ebay in cooperation with the PNG have made several significant and quite ‘HEALTHY’ changes in their respective policies over the last several months.

These changes have included measures to protect the consumer from counterfeit and fraudulent material that was being offered for sale on Ebay and elsewhere in the marketplace. Specifically, Ebay announced earlier this year that ‘Replica’ and ‘Copy’ items would no longer be allowed for sale on Ebay. In addition, Ebay has adopted additional measures to protect the consumer. At the PNG meeting Gene Cook announced that as of May 31st, only PCGS and NGC graded coins (which incidentally met some minimum requirements for customer protection against fraud) could be offered at the ‘numerical’ grades if valued over $2500.

Other items can be sold, but cannot be described by a numerical grade if they are over this $2500 price limit. One of the biggest reasons for this rule change is the ability by consumers to visit either PCGS or NGC websites to CONFIRM that the serial number of a particular item being traded ‘MATCHES’ the item described. One of the other reasons is overall customer confidence and impartiality. The bottom line is that Ebay wants customers to know they are getting exactly WHAT they are buying or bidding on.

ANACS quickly announced that they are making changes to meet the Ebay minimum requirements by the May 31st deadline. Kudos to ANACS. For specifics on the new Ebay rules, please visit Ebay’s website.

Change is good, although sometimes it is painful. One of the sayings a high school coach used to say to us during practice goes something like this…’Pain is weakness leaving the body’. Coin Doctoring is the subject that has resulted in a lot of ‘pain’ for many consumers in the past. After months of deliberation and evaluation, the PNG approved changes to their bylaws that addressed these ‘Coin Doctoring’ problems. This newly approved bylaw specifically addresses the ‘intent’ to defraud as the basis for the bylaw. The change in bylaw was overwhelmingly approved. Personally, I believe this has been a HUGE quagmire for the PNG and the coin business itself. The new bylaw is brief, concise, and accurate and represents a great big step in the right direction for the consumer.

In several ‘one on one’ type meetings with Ebay representatives, myself and other members of the PNG, have voiced their concerns regarding consumer confidence and the overall improvement of the coin market. Yes, coin dealers are here to make money-so is Ebay, BUT…the bottom line is all about customer confidence and long term goals that will correct old and often times bad behavior. Both Sherri and I are THRILLED with the overall steps and processes that these new measures represent for our hobby and industry! We are very supportive of these changes and believe that the rare coin business not only NEEDED to change, but that these changes will benefit both buyer and seller in the future.

PART THREE-Covering late March through mid May

Late March. This morning Sherri and I are returning from a good small show in Milwaukee, WI-‘don’t cha know?’. Although Milwaukee used to be a frequent coin show venue, the South Shore Coin Club Show we attended is the only three day coin show remaining in the state of Wisconsin. In the year’s past there were three to five shows per year in Milwaukee usually held in downtown Milwaukee at the Mecca Convention Center. The Mecca is no more and from what one of the South Shore Coin Club members told me, it is doubtful any shows smaller than a Central States or ANA would even be able to afford space at the new convention center.

Part of the problem is ‘CRAZY’ taxation policies in the state of Wisconsin itself. Recently a show in Madison, WI was DESTROYED because of outlandish taxation rules. Overnight virtually half of the dealers planning on attending cancelled their trip. When will shortsighted politicians understand that ‘strangling’ business is like killing the golden goose? California are you listening?

Over the last several years a couple of shows in the suburbs of Chicago have ‘taken hold’ and become quite successful. Like the unfavored step child, Milwaukee has taken a back seat in terms of coin show activity. To a certain extent this is unfortunate, because there are lots of great collectors in Milwaukee, but more collectors and dealers are willing to come to a show in the Chicago area. Truth be told, like a lot of aspects of our lives, it is ALL about money. The more potential collectors, the more money, blah, blah, blah…..

One of the newer show venues that have stepped up since the downfall of the Milwaukee show activity is in Tinley Park, IL. The facility in Tinley Park (at the South edge of greater Chicago) is new and the parking is plentiful. At the recent show in Tinley Park in late February, Jim Paicz did a marvelous job despite bad weather and the confusion surrounding a new show date. This was the first time that this ‘third’ date in Tinley Park has been held. The two other shows in Tinley Park will be held in June and September and we are excited to have tables at both.

This April is unusual in the coin business. There is only one ‘major’ show with only a few regional shows of any size. The Central States Coin Show in Schaumburg, IL in the second half of the month is one of the best shows of the year and the move to Schaumburg vs. Rosemont is, in my opinion, good thinking on the part of the CSNS organization. Rosemont is worn out, overpriced, and crowded. Rosemont has been a good example of ‘extortion’ gone amok over the years, but the convenient to O’Hare Airport location has made it a successful venue that is popular for business travelers especially coin dealers flying into Chicago from all over the U.S.

So Vic, then what is the problem with Rosemont? The Convention Center itself is worn out and ‘dumpy’. The parking prices are astronomical and often times there are a couple of conventions going on which make it VERY inconvenient for potential customers of the coin show to even park and attend. Just last year, the ‘comic book’ convention hurt attendance and CSNS in Rosemont.

Hindsight is ‘twenty twenty’ they say-HA! The Central State Numismatic Society folks did a great job of putting on this year’s annual show, but…attendance was OFF. Because this is the first year for this new venue, I believe this show will improve over the next several years. The CSNS Show will be held in this Schaumburg, IL location for at least the next three years. Overall the facility was very comfortable, but ‘change’ can sometimes be painful and a lot of dealers WERE NOT happy with the venue. Frankly, there are some shortcomings. Unless you have a vehicle, restaurants and other hotels are very inconvenient to reach. The trip from the airport to Schaumberg will ‘CLIP’ you for $60 to $70 by taxi and the location itself although very visible from the interstate IS NOT easy to get to.

The only other bigger shows in the month of April were last week’s Pacific Northwest Numismatic Association Show in Tukwila, WA and this week’s shows in both Dalton, GA and Dearborn, MI. We heard good reports from Tukwila from a couple of dealers who attended. This is a good regional show. The Georgia Numismatic Association Show in Dalton, GA is a good show also, but the attendance at both this show and the Michigan State Show in Dearborn will be diminished because dealers, including ourselves, are just too tired to attend. Unfortunately this ‘too tired because of too many shows’ feeling was voiced by several dealers in attendance at the CSNS Show last week in regard to the upcoming ANA Show in Denver in early May.

When the ANA decided to add a third show to their annual show schedule a couple of years ago, they moved the Spring show to a later date, in May, from the ‘normal’ year’s past March date. This year’s Denver Spring ANA is the first time the show has been held this late in my numismatic memory. Denver is an incredible city to visit and we attend both the Spring and Fall Denver shows as often as possible, but the show schedule is oversaturated and attendance might very well suffer. Several dealers I spoke to at Schaumburg/CSNS last week told me they are cancelling. All of these dealers are too tired and believe the timing is bad.

The success or failure of this new Spring ANA date remains to be seen, but we will be attending both the ‘PRE-Show’ held by Jerry Morgan at the National Western Expo Hall May 3rd through the 5th and returning the following week for the ANA itself in downtown Denver at the Convention Center the 9th through the 12th. When the ANA originally scheduled this show, they ‘stepped’ all over Jerry Morgan’s Denver Spring Show by scheduling their show the week prior to his, but Jerry outfoxed the ANA and moved his show up two weeks. Frankly, I have to laugh. Because of the ANA’s arrogance, Jerry Morgan’s Denver ‘PRE-ANA’ Show will probably be the show to attend in May. Why didn’t the ANA just try to communicate with Jerry?

Also the first week of May is the new date New Hampshire Coin & Currency Show in Manchester, NH. Ernie Botte runs a quality show and we would love to attend, but for the conflict with Denver. May now has two major shows with the Long Beach Show falling at the end of the month. With the well attended Texas Numismatic Association Show in Ft. Worth May 17th to the 20th and the Garden State Show the same weekend the month is full. Fortunately there are no shows the week before Memorial Day and the Long Beach Show the following week.

Bozarth Numismatics Inc is a full service rare coin dealer. We buy and sell PCGS, NGC, and CAC graded and approved high grade U.S. coins. We sell coins at shows and on both our website bozarthcoins.com and in our Ebay store bozarthnumismaticsinc. Because of our extensive show and buying travel schedule we can often locate those ‘hard to find’ items. We offer free confidential want list services and will call or email you ‘first’ if we locate an item for you. Thanks and Best Regards, Vic Bozarth/The Rare Coin Road Warrior.

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The Coin Analyst: U.S. Mint Plans for 75th Anniversary San Francisco Silver Eagle Set Address Critics’ Concerns

By Louis Golino on April 30, 2012 6:55 AM

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by Louis Golino for CoinWeek

The U.S. Mint has announced that it will honor the 75th anniversary of the San Francisco branch of the U.S. Mint with a special two-coin American silver eagle proof set.

The set will include two proof silver eagles with San Francisco mint marks. One will be a regular proof coin, and the other will be a reverse proof. The latter will be the third reverse proof silver eagle issued so far, following those made in 2006 and 2011 for the 20th and 25th anniversaries of the silver eagle program. But it will be the first reverse proof with an ‘S” mint mark, making it a unique piece.

Proof silver eagles have been issued at the West Point branch since 2000, but between 1986 and 1992 they were minted in San Francisco. They were also issued in Philadelphia between 1993 and 1999.

The current facility in San Francisco has traditionally been used mostly to produce proof coins and proof sets, although circulation quality coins have also been made there during certain periods. The original San Francisco mint, which first opened in 1854, survived the 1906 earthquake. The current facility opened its doors in 1937.

For the first time the Mint will be trying a new approach to distributing a special set of silver eagles. It will allow unlimited orders for a one month window. The coins will go on sale on June 7, and sales will end on July 5. Household limits have not been announced.

Production will begin on May 11, and orders will be processed in the order in which they were received. Shipping is slated to begin in late July.

No price has been announced yet and probably will only be made available when the sets go up for sale on June 7. Collectors speculate that it will be around $120, or somewhere between $100 and $150.

The final mintage of the sets will be determined by the number purchased during the one-month window.

A sales odometer will be placed on the Mint’s site to track sales of the sets and allow buyers to see how the mintage number is shaping up. This is also a Mint first.

In 2009 the Mint issued the highly regarded Ultra High Relief double eagle gold coin, an official reproduction of a famous American rarity made in extremely small numbers in 1907 primarily so that President Teddy Roosevelt could give one to his daughter as a marriage present.

The 2009 coins were also made to demand, but orders were allowed for about a year, and there was a household limit of one coin. Those coins, which were initially priced at $1289 in early 2009, are today worth between $3,000 for raw examples and $5,000 for first strike PCGS-graded MS70 coins and even more for proof-like MS70 examples.

Last October when the Mint sold out of all 100,000 25th anniversary silver eagle sets in less than five hours through online and telephone sales, the Mint was deluged with complaints from customers who were unable to place an order because the Mint’s site and phone lines were totally overwhelmed.

The combination of a 100,000 mintage and a household limit of five sets, as I argued recently in Coin World (www.coinworld.com), ensured that the entire mintage would be snapped up by a relatively small number of people. The average order was for almost four sets, so at most about 25,000 people own the mintage of that sets, and the actual number has to be much smaller since many sets were bought by dealers and flippers who used staff and friends to place more than the household limit.

The Mint first responded to the criticism of its marketing approach for those sets by apologizing and saying it would do better next time. It has plans for an improved ordering system, but they will not be implemented before next year.

Then earlier in the year the Mint sent some customers a survey which asked about preferences for various types of special silver eagles and sets such as reverse proofs, high relief coins, and coins with special mint marks.

Finally, the Mint announced the four-week window with unlimited mintage for the San Francisco sets as its way of addressing the concerns and criticism over its handling of the anniversary sets.

I applaud the Mint’s effort to address those concerns, and like many collectors I am looking forward to the San Francisco set.

A real collector does not constantly look for opportunities to make a profit by flipping sets for more than they paid. They actually care about the coins themselves.

It will certainly be interesting to see how things work out, and whether unlimited special sets become a precedent.

The Mint has stressed before that it is not in the business of creating instant rarities so that people can make quick profits. The Mint’s mission is to distribute coins in as broad and fair a manner as possible, even if that has not always been the result of its policies.

Moreover, the Mint is a profit-making entity, and with sales of many collector and bullion coins down this year, coupled with the anticipated drop in seigniorage profits after being required to limit production of dollar coins, the Mint needs to find revenue somewhere. A popular set with no mintage limit would seem to fit that bill.

A lot of coin buyers, flippers and true coin lovers alike, feel the Mint went from one extreme to the other with its plans for the new sets. They suggest the Mint could have ensured a fairer and broader access than before by increasing the mintage to something on the order of 200-250,000 sets and imposing a limit of either one per household or perhaps a couple sets per household. But that would still leave some people unhappy.

Some people feel the new sets will have virtually no aftermarket premium because of the unlimited mintage, but the track record of past items made to demand such as regular proof silver eagles and the 2009 UHR suggest otherwise.

Many say they will just buy one set to keep their collections updated. Some say they are not interested in a set with no mintage limit, and they even speculate that sales could be lower as a result of such views.

But others say that the sets may still have some additional value after the window is closed. I also suspect plenty of people will buy a second set or more to have them graded in hopes of getting a set with two 70 coins.

There is such a strong base of silver eagle collectors, here and abroad, which should help support prices for the new sets.

The bottom line as far as market potential is that these sets are unlikely to increase the way both anniversary sets have. The 20th anniversary set, which issued at $100, today sells for almost $500. And last year’s 25th anniversary set, which issued at $300, goes for over $800 today.

The new sets should at least hold their value in the short-term, and over time increases in spot silver prices, and demand from new collectors who start collecting after the sets are released, should drive prices higher, but probably not to several multiples of issue price at least in the near future.

Louis Golino - WriterLouis Golino is a coin collector and numismatic writer, whose articles on coins have appeared in Coin World, Numismatic News, and a number of different coin web sites. His column for CoinWeek, “The Coin Analyst,” covers U.S. and world coins and precious metals. He collects U.S. and European coins and is a member of the ANA, PCGS, NGC, and CAC. He has also worked for the U.S. Library of Congress and has been a syndicated columnist and news analyst on international affairs for a wide variety of newspapers and web sites.

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The Coin Analyst: Collectors and the Market Need Better Resources on Coin Values and Mintages

By Louis Golino on April 20, 2012 9:30 AM

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There has been some interesting discussion on this web site recently about the need for more accurate pricing information about U.S. coins. For example, Vic Bozarth recently wrote about the Coin Dealer Newsletter (CDN), commonly known as the Greysheet (www.greysheet.com), and said that its data is skewed by the inclusion of too many sales of lower quality coins.

Others, such as Mark Ferguson, Laura Sperber, and Doug Winter, have all suggested that the Greysheet, Coin World’s Coin Values Price Guide (www.coinworld.com), and other sources include information that is not accurate about coin values. Mr. Winter recently (http://www.coinweek.com/market-reports/first-quarter-2012-rare-coin-markets-a-quick-recap/) noted how he paid more than $30,000 for a coin which is valued at a fraction of that in Coin World Trends.

To be honest, I rarely refer to Coin World’s retail value information. I know that they say it is based on the value of coins that are solid for the grade and that it draws on multiple sources from auctions to retail sales, but in my view older coins are valued too high there, and the valuation data for many better modern coins is often too low based on my experience as a collector and market analyst.

I find similar problems with Numismatic News’ monthly Coin Market section (www.numismaticnews.net) that provides pricing information, but I do find it to be useful. I know it is hard to update so much information, and for older collector coins, I often agree with these values (which are prepared by Harry Miller). But many times I have found gold coin prices that were below current melt value and other errors.

Michael Zielinski, editor of Coin Update (www.coinupdate.com), recently published an article (http://news.coinupdate.com/a-few-errors-in-the-red-book-1317/) which points out multiple errors in the Red Book, or Guide Book of United States Coins, published by Whitman (www.whitman.com).

Last year I wrote a review of the 2012 Red Book for Coin Update (http://news.coinupdate.com/review-of-the-guide-book-of-united-states-coins-0748/) that made some constructive criticism, particularly on the need for more accurate mintage information on modern U.S. coins. The Red Book, even in the 2013 edition, continues to publish incorrect mintage data on the First Spouse $10 gold coin series that has been available for years from the Mint and various web sites.

One point to keep in mind about the Red Book, or coin bible, as many call it, is that it is only a starting point. To know more, one needs to consult other sources from web sites with modern mintage data to specialized books like Jeff Garrett’s excellent book on pre-1933 gold coins (The Encyclopedia of U.S. Gold Coins 1795-1933). And Whitman’s own professional edition of the Red Book (the third edition came out towards the end of 2011) includes a lot more information about the classics such as auction data, but it is geared towards higher end and higher grade coins.

There is no question that the Greysheet, Red Book, Coin World Trends, PCGS and NGC online prices, etc. are all useful resources, and I am certainly not suggesting that they have no value for coin collectors and market analysts. Each of them generally serves a different purpose, and one should check many different resources before reaching a conclusion.

But I believe that the coin market needs better, more accurate resources, especially on coin values and mintages.

And it is my contention that the coin market and the entire field of American numismatics is held back by the lack of such information. We try to compile it from multiple sources, as best we can, but with no readily available, accurate information that everyone can check, it is difficult to know much a coin is really worth, or many such coins actually exist.

That can suppress market values, lead buyers to overpay for coins, or result in them under or overvaluing their coins for insurance purposes.

Those two data points, value and mintage, are at the heart of coin collecting and investing, and without them one is in the dark.

To be sure, there are many different values to a coin, depending on whether it is a wholesale, retail, or auction price.

And mintage data is also quite complicated for older and more recent coins, and compiling it is an enormous undertaking.

For older coins, one needs to first know how many were made, and then attempt to factor in the number that have been melted over the years, especially when it comes to coins like Morgan dollars, which were melted in the millions under the Pittman Act and other laws. And a lot of pre-1933 gold coins were sent to Europe over the years when America was paying off debts, and many were also melted because of FDR’s executive order that made it illegal to own all but $100 face value of gold coins, or coins with significant numismatic value.

For modern coins, one starts with the Mint’s sales numbers, which are then adjusted to account for returns and other factors. The Mint generally issues a tentative number when sales end, and those numbers are often adjusted substantially at a later date.

This happened, for example, a couple of years ago when the mintage data for the low-mintage 2008 Buffalo gold coins and American gold and platinum eagles were revised significantly by the Mint in 2009. I think that the new, lower mintage numbers played a major role in the subsequent increase in values for those coins.

For many coins, like the spouse gold coins, there is a dearth of published, accurate pricing data. So for those coins I like to use e-Bay sale prices and retail prices at a company like John Maben’s Modern Coin Mart www.moderncoinmart.com to get a sense of what the coins are actually trading for.

The bottom line for me is that the market and collectors spend so much time trying to track down all this data, and a lot of it changes quickly. We could all therefore use an online resource that covers retail, wholesale, auction, and slabbed coin values as well as the known information about mintages.

The closest source that exists to this ideal would be the data that is available at Heritage Auctions (www.ha.com), or perhaps PCGS Coin Facts (www.pcgs.com), and NGC’s Coin Explorer (www.ngccoin.com).

Louis Golino - WriterLouis Golino is a coin collector and numismatic writer, whose articles on coins have appeared in Coin World, Numismatic News, and a number of different coin web sites. His column for CoinWeek, “The Coin Analyst,” covers U.S. and world coins and precious metals. He collects U.S. and European coins and is a member of the ANA, PCGS, NGC, and CAC. He has also worked for the U.S. Library of Congress and has been a syndicated columnist and news analyst on international affairs for a wide variety of newspapers and web sites.

Thursday, April 12, 2012

2012 Proof Silver Eagle

Posted by Mint News Blog | Filed Under: Silver Eagles

The United States Mint will begin sales of the 2012 American Silver Eagle Proof Coin today April 12, 2012 at 12:00 Noon ET. This typically represents one of the Mint’s most popular annual collector offerings.

The obverse design of the coin features Adolph A. Weinman’s classic depiction of Walking Liberty that was used for the circulating half dollar from 1916 to 1947. The reverse of the coin contains a heraldic eagle designed by John Mercanti, former Chief Engraver of the United States Mint. These are the same obverse and reverse designs that have been featured since the introduction of the series in 1986.

The 2012 Proof Silver Eagle is struck at the West Point Mint and includes the “W” mint mark on the reverse. Each coin contains one troy ounce of .999 fine silver. The cameo proof finish features frosted raised design elements and inscriptions over mirrored background fields.

Pricing for the coins is set at $59.95 each, plus applicable shipping and handling charges. This year there are no household limits and no stated maximum mintage. The US Mint indicates that customer demand will determine the number of coins minted.

In a few ways, this release brings the series back to the more typical pattern of availability after the unfortunate cancellation of the Proof Silver Eagle in 2009. The release date has moved back to its typical place earlier in the year compared to the prior two release dates of November 19, 2010 and June 30, 2011. The initial ordering limit of 100 per household that had been in place for the past two years is not being used for this year’s release.

What remains to be seen are collector demand for the offering, the total period of availability, and the final mintage. Following the cancellation in 2009, collector enthusiasm seemed stronger when the product returned in 2010 and 2011. This resulted in a strong pace of sales and sell outs prior to the end of the year. The 2010 Proof Silver Eagle had sold out by December 28, 2010 at last reported sales of 860,000. The 2011 Proof Silver Eagle sold out by November 22, 2011 with last reported sales of 850,000. Another 100,000 were also sold within the special 25th Anniversary Set.

The expected release of other collector versions of the 2012 Silver Eagle later this year, may slightly dampen enthusiasm for the traditional offering. Although the US Mint has not directly confirmed, it is expected that collectible uncirculated versions will be offered with the “W” and “S” mint mark. Also, there are rumors of a 75th Anniversary San Francisco Set containing proof and reverse proof Silver Eagles with the “S” mint mark.

So far this year, demand for the bullion version of the Silver Eagle has been slower compared to the prior year. Through the end of the first quarter, sales have reached 10,139,000, which is down 18.42% compared to the year ago period.

Monday, April 16, 2012

75th Anniversary San Francisco Set

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In the past week or so, there have been a few tidbits and mentions of a 75th Anniversary San Francisco Set included in articles published by Numismatic News. So far the United States Mint has yet to officially announce the set, but a recent inquiry confirmed that the basic details have been decided with production scheduled to begin on May 11.

The San Francisco Mint was opened in 1854 in response to the California Gold Rush. In 1874, it moved to a new larger facility, which would come to be known as the “Granite Lady”. The building famously survived the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and fire and was featured in a 2006 commemorative coin program. The San Francisco Mint moved to a more modern facility in 1937. The facility currently produces proof coins, silver proof coins, Silver Eagle bullion coins, and certain other numismatic issues.

The set commemorating the 75th Anniversary of the current San Francisco Mint will include a 2012-S Proof Silver Eagle and 2012-S Reverse Proof Silver Eagle. These coins will represent two new special versions of the Silver Eagle, potentially unique to the set.

The US Mint has not established the mintage limit, ordering limit, pricing, and release date for the 75th Anniversary San Francisco Set.

Last year when the US Mint offered the 25th Anniversary Silver Eagle Set, there were many complaints from customers who were unable to order a set. The US Mint had established a mintage limit of 100,000 sets and ordering limit of 5 per household. The Mint’s website was inundated with traffic and sales quickly reached the sell out level. Typically after something like this occurs, the US Mint overcompensates with the next offering to make sue it doesn’t happen again. I anticipate that the mintage limit for the 75th Anniversary Set will be much higher and possibly the household ordering limit will be lower.

As mentioned in a recent post, the US Mint has also indicated that they will offer collectible uncirculated versions of the Silver Eagle with the “S” and “W” mint mark.

All together this will result in five different numismatic versions of the Silver Eagle available for this year. The number of numismatic versions of the coin have increased dramatically in the past few years.

2009: 0

  • The traditional proof version and recently introduced uncirculated version were both canceled.

2010: 1

  • 2010-W Proof Silver Eagle

2011: 4

  • 2011-W Proof Silver Eagle
  • 2011-W Uncirculated Silver Eagle
  • 2011-P Reverse Proof Silver Eagle
  • 2011-S Uncirculated Silver Eagle

2012: 5 (anticipated)

  • 2012-W Proof Silver Eagle
  • 2012-W Uncirculated Silver Eagle
  • 2012-S Uncirculated Silver Eagle
  • 2012-S Proof Silver Eagle
  • 2012-S Reverse Proof Silver Eagle

While I am looking forward to the US Mint’s issuance of the 75th Anniversary San Francisco Set, it is starting to seem like the US Mint is issuing special sets for the Silver Eagle too frequently while at the same time introducing more annual recurring numismatic versions.

For the first 20 years of the series, the US Mint had released one proof version of the coin per year and issued only one special version of the Silver Eagle in the 10th Anniversary Set. In the past seven years (including this year), there will be three anniversary sets which include five different special versions of the Silver Eagle, while two additional recurring numismatic versions have been introduced.

As I have explored in this post, the US Mint does have some room to innovate or create special offerings in other areas. The 75th Anniversary of the San Francisco Mint could have opened up a lot of different possibilities. Everything doesn’t have to be a Silver Eagle.

Viewpoint: Key Modern Coins Win Profit Race

By Eric Jordan, Numismatic News
April 12, 2012

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Coin collecting is a wonderful and enjoyable hobby that for many represents art struck on precious metals. For astute and patient collectors it represents a useful personal asset. A recent article entitled, “Modern Issues Lousy Investments,” points out that dirt-common modern proof sets have not performed well over the last 20 years, and that modern commemorative issues – with their initial surcharges mandated by Congress – have performed poorly relative to bullion. Based on these minor segment conclusions, the entirety of modern coinage was written off as a lousy holding. Benjamin Franklin once said, “The murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of brutal facts is a terrible thing,” and that is certainly the case here.

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Classic coins are statistically not any better than modern coins as investments. Both are carried chiefly by their three top key-date issues, which is where the focus of “investing” should be. If you go through Greysheet archives or review market segment indexes like the PCGS3000 for all subsets of classic coinage and index them to inflation or gold, almost every segment of classic coinage has lost ground (in real terms) over the last 20 years. The only classic market segment that has held its own since 1992 is the key date index. The Greysheet shows that for typical complete Mint State sets – in most cases – over 50 prcent of an entire set’s value is contained in the first three key and semi-key dates. Obviously key date material is normally the place to be.

The rest of the set is just along for the ride and increase in value only as the price of their metal of manufacture rises. Over time Mint State common date collector premiums diminish as a percentage of the coins’ market value if the metals are trending upward. This is why classic coin commentators over the years have correctly stressed the importance of key dates in high grade.

The first of two graphs shows the constant dollar performance of the major classic coin market segments along with the price of constant dollar gold.


Today’s key date moderns are displaying exactly the same behavior, but are still affordable to the broad middle class. While the article mentions the 25th Anniversary silver Eagle set as an unusual exception to the “lousy” performing moderns, it is actually only demonstrating typical key and semi-key date behavior. In the listing under the article there were at least 30 key dates that on average have outperformed inflation and their metal of manufacture since the date of sales closure. Most of them were open for sale at the Mint for extended periods of time.

It is interesting to note that the keys and semi-keys listed directly under the “lousy investments” article have, on average, experienced price increases of a factor of about 3.4 since their year of issue, which has – with little exception – taken place within six years. That is a screaming increase for almost any asset class. The suggestion that one needs to get “lucky” with the purchase of a 25th anniversary silver Eagle set in order to do well with infant key dates is simply not valid. All one needs to do is focus on low population attractive issues in series with rapidly expanding total populations just as collectors with foresight have for generations. Let’s look at the numbers in the chart.

We can learn some things from this listing. Many modern keys and type coins have very low mintages. Rarity and relative series rarity that have not been evident in classic U.S. coinage for nearly a century is becoming evident in Modern Coins. These young series key dates are doing what young key dates do – grow. High cost and high material content suppress value growth in large denomination series because the cost of the complete set gets so high it discourages new collectors from taking up the set. Small denomination key dates, on the other hand (as can be seen above), tend to be resistant to the high material cost dampening effect larger denomination series have on collector growth rates.

Comparing mature series key dates to modern key dates has its flaws – they are not the same. The problem with mature series key dates is that they are so expensive they tend to price the typical collector out of the market therefore stalling collector base growth. Most modern keys – in the midst of massive high grade populations – have a great deal of public exposure. These key issues can be acquired comparatively close to melt thus encouraging continued growth in collector ranks. Collectors who would like to assemble good looking sets struck on precious metals are absorbing these coins at a staggering rate, as is clearly seen by the population report growth at Numismatic Guaranty Corp. and Professional Coin Grading Service. All indicators point to moderns as today’s growth segment of the collecting hobby.

It is possible to get hurt buying key date moderns if you are impatient. As the second graph illustrates, key moderns generally spike in value shortly after release, then settle down for a period before steadily (yet slowly) climbing to ever higher values.

 

Notice that strong young keys tend to have an “out of the box” bounce to 2-4 times issue price shortly after issue. The market has the tendency to drop about 25-40 percent from this peak and stay dormant for about 2-4 years while dealer and speculator inventories dissipate into the hands of the public. Series that enjoy loyal collector interest then begin the growth cycle that can run anywhere from 10 to 50 years. If the opportunity slips to purchase key dates at issue price in cases where they are a quick sellout at the Mint, statistics show it is wise to allow the prices to go through the consolidation phase prior to purchase. In the case of purchasing MS-70 or Proof-70 keys, the best time to make a purchase is late in the coin’s year of issue while they are still plentiful and the rush to buy is over.

Modern series are affordable, good looking, have a high intrinsic metal content backing them and have key date issues that are tight bottle necks. These are classic sign posts of future greatness and opportunity. Those who choose to ignore low mintage moderns forfeit their opportunity to absorb the potential super coins of their generation. Looking back over market history this is an often repeated but serious error.

So before publishing blanket statements bashing modern coins as a lousy investment it might be wise to take a look at their key-date performance as compared to their classic series relatives. While they are different from one another, they exhibit very similar behavior. Giving undue credence to either party is unfair to the other because they both have very supportable merits. Just as modern coins have the common date proof set to answer for, the low grade common date classic coins also gather more dust than value.

Eric Jordan is author of Modern Commemorative Coins: Invest Today, Profit Tomorrow, available at www.shopnumismaster.com.

Are You Attracted By Price or History?

By Ginger Rapsus, Numismatic News
April 12, 2012

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Every coin may be considered a piece of history. Hold a coin and it can remind you of some aspect of American history. But some coins have such a story to tell, it almost speaks to you.

The 1792 half disme appeals to numismatists and non-collectors as well. These coins were struck before the new Philadelphia Mint was even completed, using silver supplied by President George Washington. It is said that Martha Washington was the model for the Liberty head on the obverse.

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The reverse depicts a small eagle, a fledgling perhaps, a fitting emblem for the new country – the United States. The design is rather quaint, with a motto not used after 1792: “Liberty Parent of Science and Industry.” Only 1,500 or so were struck, with a few hundred surviving today. Many are worn, but a few exist in Mint State. This coin is a product of the early years of the country, the Mint, and its coinage.

Jump many years forward to the Civil War years. The 1861-D gold dollar was struck at Dahlonega, Ga., after the Mint was seized by Rebel troops. The obverse bears the name “United States of America” but more accurately, it should read “Confederate States of America.” Only 1,250 or so were struck, most bearing mushy lettering and details, as many Dahlonega gold coins do. Less than a hundred are known, with a good number in higher grades, indicating the coins were saved.

The 1861-O half dollar shows a total mintage of over 2.5 million, but only 330,000 were struck under the United States government. The remainder was struck for the State of Louisiana and the Confederate States. Four Confederate half dollars were struck in 1861, using the familiar Seated Liberty obverse and a completely different reverse. Years later, 500 genuine 1861 half dollars with the reverse design shaved off were restruck by New York coin dealer J.W. Scott using the Confederate States reverse die.

Some of the most popular United States coins are those bearing the “CC” mintmark. The Carson City Mint began operations in 1870 and closed in 1893. Many coins minted at this historic mint are scarce. The 1876-CC 20-cent coin is a genuine rarity, as most of these coins were melted. Only two dozen or so survive. Other special CC coins include the 1873-CC Seated Liberty dollar, 1873-CC and 1874-CC dimes, 1870-CC and 1873-CC quarters, 1870-CC half dollar and a number of gold coins. The 1870-CC double eagle is a major rarity, with a mintage of only 3,789.

Many collectors believe that every coin minted at Carson City is desirable, whether it is a more common coin, worn or Mint State. A coin with the “CC” mintmark is a link to the days of the Wild West and the Comstock Lode. Only gold and silver coins were minted at Carson City: dimes, 20-cent pieces, quarters, half dollars and dollars in silver; half eagles, eagles and double eagles in gold. Thee were no minor coins in non-precious metals.

When gold was discovered at Sutter’s Mill in 1848, the Gold Rush began. Quite a few privately minted coins were struck during this period. The San Francisco Mint did not open its doors until 1854. Before this year, private gold coins were struck by Moffat and Company, bearing a design quite similar to the regular issued $5 coins. Gold coins were also struck by Augustus Humbert, an United States Assayer of Gold. Many other gold coins were minted, all of them rare and in demand from numismatists and Gold Rush historians.

But it wasn’t just California. Gold was mined in Georgia and North Carolina years before the Gold Rush out West. Templeton Reid, a jeweler from Georgia, minted $2.50, $5 and $10 gold coins in 1830. The Bechtlers of North Carolina minted gold dollars $2.50 and $5 coins from 1831-1834 – so actually, the first gold dollar minted in the United States was a Bechtler issue. The Pikes Peak gold rush of 1860 in Colorado produced some famous territorial gold coins, including $10 and $20 gold coins depicting Pikes Peak, issued by Clark, Gruber and Company. Other gold coins were minted in Oregon and Utah.

A territorial gold piece can tell the story of the Gold Rush in a way no history book ever can. Handle one of these coins and imagine who made the coin, what the coin bought and how and where the coin circulated.

The Gold Reserve Act of 1934, signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt, marked the end of the gold standard and the end of United States gold coinage for many years. Private ownership of gold was prohibited, except for “rare and unusual” coins made before April 4, 1933. Many United States gold coins were recalled and melted, including many of the later years of double eagles.

Not counting the 1933 double eagle, a book-length story in itself, the last dates of the double eagle series are scarce and command high prices. Acquiring one of these coins is a difficult and expensive feat, but a collector and historian would be thrilled and proud to own one of these coins. Large and beautiful, nearly all surviving pieces are in Mint State. Check out the original mintage figures, then compare the figures to the estimates of known pieces.

A high demand for silver and the depletion of the Treasury’s silver supply spelled the end of silver coinage in 1965. After much study, a new copper-nickel clad material, with a copper core, was considered the best substitute. The first clad quarters were released on Nov. 1, 1965, with over 230 million coins – and billions more to come over the next half century.

Silver coins and clad coins were both struck through 1966. The Coinage Act of 1965, besides mandating the new clad coinage, also stipulated that any 90 percent silver coins still being minted should bear the date 1964, regardless of when they were struck. The last of the old 90 percent silver coins, half dollars dated 1964, were minted in April 1966. A large number of 90 percent silver quarters and dimes – to the tune of hundreds of millions – were struck in 1965 and 1966, but there is no way to distinguish these coins, as all were dated 1964.

The mintage of so many coins at this time, in completely different materials, led to the creation of some off-metal varieties. Silver dimes, quarters and half dollars dated 1965 are known, along with 1964 coins struck in clad material. I once examined a 1964-dated clad quarter; it had obviously seen circulation. There may be a few more of these curious off-metal coins to find in change. Hold an off-metal coin of this era, and recall the end of silver coinage, when the Mint’s facilities operated day and night to alleviate the so-called “coin shortage” of the time. What a souvenir of recent history.

All United States coins are genuine pieces of history, but a few bear witness to some of the most turbulent events of the past 250 years. Many are scarce and valuable, but the coins’ monetary value cannot compare to their historical value.

It is up to each collector to determine which of these pieces of history are most appealing and act accordingly. Limited budgets have to be lived with, but unlimited historical interest means that just about anyone can find something that offers a very interesting and satisfying insight to the times in which they were issued.

The Coin Analyst: Titanic Centennial Coins Popular with Collectors

By Louis Golino on April 13, 2012 5:53 AM

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April 15th marks the 100th anniversary of one of the world’s greatest maritime disasters, the sinking off the coast of Canada of the then largest and most luxurious ship in the world, the RMS Titanic. 1,517of the 2,229 passengers perished in the tragedy. RMS stands for Royal Mail Steamer. None of the ship’s mail survived the disaster, but mail that was sent on stops during the ship’s maiden voyage is on display at the Smithsonian Institution’s postal museum.

The ship left Southhampton, England on April 10, 1912 heading for New York City. Four days later the ship hit an iceberg 300 nautical miles southeast of Newfoundland, and three hours later it sank. The survivors were rescued by Canadian ships, and many of those who died are buried in Halifax. Survivors say that even as the ship was sinking into the water, the band kept playing.

The Titanic tragedy has haunted and fascinated the world for a century, and coins with maritime themes have always been popular with coin collectors.

It is therefore not surprising that many coins have been issued marking this important event, particularly by countries in the Commonwealth of Independent States since it was an English ship that sank near Canada (both commonwealth countries). In earlier years various coins and medals were also issued, and some survivors had medals made to honor those who rescued them, such as for the captain and crew of the RMS Carpathia, which played the key role in rescuing passengers.

Canada played a major role in the Titanic story, and it is rolling out a wide range of commemorative coins and stamps to mark this important event. The Royal Canadian Mint (www.mint.ca) has issued three commemorative coins marking the event plus a special reverse proof silver Maple Leaf with a Titanic privy mark and a mintage limited to 25,000 coins.

In 1998 another Titanic privy mark coin limited to 26,000 pieces was issued by Canada. Interestingly, the entire mintage was apparently purchased by one distributor.

History has repeated itself as the entire run 2012 Titanic privy mark coins was purchased by the American Precious Metal Exchange in Oklahoma (www.apmex.com), one of the largest bullion and coin dealers in the world and U.S. Mint Authorized Purchaser. The coin is currently available for what I think is a reasonable price of about $11 above melt value. The coins are selling fast, and once they are sold out of the entire mintage, I expect prices to move higher. The 1998 Titanic privy mark coin retails for about $80 from coin dealers.

Canada’s main Titanic 2012 coins are: a colored quarter in a special folder, a silver-plated half-dollar that uses color only on the ocean, and a half ounce $10 coin. The half dollar sold out in about a day of its 15,000 mintage. Originally priced at $35, the coin is now hard to find and the few coins that have been sold on e-Bay have sold for $170-200 recently. The $10 coin also sold out of its 20,000 mintage, but not as quickly. It typically sells for about $70.

The silver-plated half dollar sold out so quickly of its mintage not just because Titanic-themed items are very popular in Canada but also because 10,000 of the 15,000 coin mintage is reserved for sale in a special collectors set sold by the Canadian Post Office. The set includes both the silver-plated half dollar now going for $200 and the color quarter plus the Titanic stamps issued by Canada, a real White Star Line stock certificate, and some other materials in a leather folder. The sets are still available and cost $140.

Alexandre Reeves, communications official at the Royal Canadian Mint, confirmed to me that the coins in the set sold by Canada Post are part of the overall mintage. This helps explain why the half dollar coin sold out so quickly, since customers and dealers who buy from the Mint could only order 5,000 of the 15,000 coins minted.
 
APMEX also purchased the entire mintage of another attractive Titanic coin issued by the nation of Niue that includes special packaging with a porthole that houses the coin. The coin uses color on the ship and is popular with collectors. The mintage is 2,229, or one for every passenger on the ship. The Niue coin was minted by the New Zealand mint.

Smaller countries often have the mints of larger countries produce coins for them.

APMEX initially priced the coins at $80, but some buyers who bought coins from APMEX sold them on e-Bay for prices in the $120-150 range. APMEX later raised the price to $100 a couple weeks ago, and now it is charging $120, which is about the average current e-Bay price.

The country of Fiji issued an impressive limited edition five-ounce silver coin with a mother of color pearl insert that shows the ship. That coins is bring $1,000 and more now.

The British Royal Mint (www.royalmint.com)) issued a silver coin for the commonwealth country of Alderney marking the anniversary of the tragedy that shows the ship and a statue of Thane from the Titanic memorial in Belfast, Northern Ireland.

The Perth Mint in Western Australia (www.perthmint.com.au) issued my personal overall favorite, a one ounce silver coin with a color insert showing the ship as depicted on the original poster for the White Star Line. That coin has a mintage of 5,000 and sells for $110-130. It was made by Perth for the country of Tuvalu.

Silver and gold coins have also been issued by the Cook Islands, Isle of Man, Jersey, and other countries. The Cook Islands proof silver coin with color is notable because it includes a piece of coal salvaged from the wreck. The mintage of that one is 2,012. Cook Islands also issued a $1 gold coin that has a mintage of 15,000 pieces.
Louis Golino - WriterLouis Golino is a coin collector and numismatic writer, whose articles on coins have appeared in Coin World, Numismatic News, and a number of different coin web sites. His column for CoinWeek, “The Coin Analyst,” covers U.S. and world coins and precious metals. He collects U.S. and European coins and is a member of the ANA, PCGS, NGC, and CAC. He has also worked for the U.S. Library of Congress and has been a syndicated columnist and news analyst on international affairs for a wide variety of newspapers and web sites.

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