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By Doug Winter – RareGoldCoins.com
As much as coin dealers–myself included–try to compare the coin market to the art market, the more you look at coins, the more you realize how insignificant this market (currently) is when compared to art. Will the coin market ever “catch up” to the art market and is it fair to make any coin vs. art comparisons? I’d like to share my thoughts on this with you.
If you look at art from an outsider’s perspective, the prices that great objects bring seem baffling. $50 million dollar Warhols? $100 million Giacometti sculptures? And what seems all the more baffling are that prices like this are for items that not everybody agrees is a masterpiece.
But examine the art market with a little bit more perspective and the prices that make coin dealers exclaim that MS64 Indian Head half eagles at $3,500 are a smoking value seem less relevant.
The market for seven, eight and even nine figure art objects is extensive and it is world-wide. If a Vermeer painting was discovered and authenticated, there would be a deep pool of buyers waiting to purchase it; even if the final price realized at auction was in excess of $200 million. Compare this to a famous rare coin like a 1913 Nickel or an 1804 Dollar. Sure, these are famous and desirable coins and an example of either would bring $5 to $10 million in the right market conditions. But the number of buyers who would be competing for these classic rarities is probably less than ten; maybe even as few as five.
The lack of depth in the coin market is even more apparent in thinly traded areas like Territorial gold or Patterns. A coin can be extremely rare and there might only be three examples known. But if there are only two strong buyers for that issue and both already have the coin, the thinness of the market is detrimental. This tends not to be the case in the art market which is deeper and which has institutional buyers as well.
There are hundreds of art museums in the Western world and a small but significant number of these have the money available at most times to buy great art that fits into their collection. Sadly, the Mint Museum in Charlotte has no budget (or desire) to purchase a great Charlotte quarter eagle if it becomes available. The Getty Museum, on the other hand, has been a major buyer of antiquities and photography for years and has helped to push values upwards in those areas.
The art world does a wonderful job of cultivating new buyers. In addition to museums there are active art scenes in cities like New York, London, Berlin and Los Angeles that have beautiful, high-end galleries where collectors (or potential collectors) can go to learn about new art, view exhibits and socialize with other collectors. The number of high-end coin stores in the United States is next to none, and I somehow can’t imagine hedge-fund directors in New York or trust-fund kids in London spending Saturday mornings chatting with the proprietor of the local coin shop.
While I personally love rare coins and I do think the market has come a long way in the past decade or two, it still has a long, long way to go as far as self-promotion goes. Art shows are much more upscale than coin shows, and gallery exhibits introduce new works to collectors or reinforce the greatness of existing masters. When’s the last time you went to your local museum to see a coin exhibit?
The rare coin market has become increasingly internet-driven and I think that’s a great thing; I know that it has certainly helped my business immeasurably. But the personal interaction between dealers and collectors in the art world remains more sophisticated and “better” than in the coin world and I think the art world is healthier for this.
Another thing to remember about the art market is that it is far more international and cosmopolitan the the coin market. When a great French Impressionist painting is offered at auction, it is possible that the winning bidder might be American, British, French, German, Swiss, Russian, or even Chinese. When a great Liberty Head half eagle is made available, the chances remain very strong that it is going to sell to an American buyer.
Buying art serves an important social function that doesn’t yet (and may never) apply to coins. When a billionaire Russian oligarch wants to makes a splash in the West, he does three things: buys an English Premier League soccer team, purchases a great apartment in New York, and makes a splash at the season’s Christie’s and Sotheby’s Contemporary and Modern Art sale.
Coins are not on the radar of many big money buyers because they are too small to display and you can’t impress your friends by laying out a PCGS box full of Gem rare date Saints.
But I think that the transportability and compactness of coins may ultimately appeal to big money buyers. Its a lot easier to move your coins from New York to London to Dubai than it is your art collection. As the world becomes a more complex, dangerous place the ability to quickly transport significant amounts of personal wealth gains in importance.
Would the rare coin market have a sudden transformation if coins, as a category, were suddenly included in Sotheby’s and Christie’s roster of sales? Probably not. There are not enough expensive coins around to keep these two firms interested in maintaining departments and both firms don’t appear to want to fool with art objects that are worth much less than $25,000-50,000 and up. And even when Sotheby’s and Christie’s had coin departments, their sales were primarily attended by American dealers.
If anyone is going to take the coin market to an international audience, it’s Heritage and I would assume that selling coins to Chinese industrialists is on their radar. And let’s not forget that both PCGS and NGC have overseas offices and are focusing considerable time, energy and marketing dollars on appealing to foreign collectors and dealers.
For the United States coin market to become more like the art market, I think a few things need to happen. Some of these are possible, some are already happening, and others seem more like a pipe-dream.
1. There needs to be more and better high-quality general numismatic reference books. We are in a golden age of numismatic research but most of the books published appeal to a narrow range of specialists. We need more books like “The 100 Greatest U.S. Coins.” A superb quality coffee table book on United States gold coins, for example, would be a great way to get more high net worth individuals interested in coins.
2. There needs to be a few upscale coin stores in New York. Manhattan remains the financial and social capital of the world and it is filled with superb art galleries. But there is no place a hedge fund manager can go and look at great coins for sale in comfort and privacy. Heritage has launched a New York office and Stack’s-Bowers will become more retail friendly (I assume), but there is still a huge void in New York.
3. The Smithsonian collection needs to reopen and there need to be touring exhibits of great American coins at locations more accessible than coin shows. There are hundreds of places in the United States to view great American art. There are only a handful of institutional collections available to view in this country.
4. There needs to be at least one or two upmarket coin shows in New York every year. Captains of Industry aren’t going to fly to Rosemont or Long Beach to go to shows. I doubt if an Armory-style show for coins would work but I’d be curious to see what happened if a coin dealer were allowed to exhibit at a fancy east coast art and antiques show.
5. The coin market needs to think with a long-term perspective. Dealers need to be thinking about the market in 2021 and 2031, not just in 2011. Coin doctoring is bad for the long-term health of the rare coin market just like scandals in the art market can hurt that industry in the long run. In a good market, coin dealers are too busy to promote numismatics and in a down market, they are too poor. There are times I wish there was a Benevolent Dictator in the coin business who told us dealers what to do and how to do it.
6. The professional side of the coin business desperately needs an infusion of fresh young faces. The art market has the advantage of hundreds–if not thousands–of smart, enthusiastic Art History majors who enter the market each year from college. The coin market has a lot of the same faces who have been around for two, three, and even four decades.
That said, I still like the future of the rare coin market. I think there is real value in selected areas of American numismatics. The relative affordability of Classic American Rarities is a compelling factor for wealthy collectors used to seeing average quality artwork priced in the millions of dollars. And the fact that the $5 Indian in MS64 that I mentioned above is within the price range of most upper middle-class Americans means that coins have the potential for much more widespread appeal than great (or even good) art.
What are your thoughts about the coin market versus the art market? Leave your comments about this below.
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There has been very little attention paid to type coin collecting in numismatic literature. Largely because there are few, if any individuals, who are truly qualified to treat type coin collecting in depth.
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Type collecting received a shot in the arm in terms of publicity with the publication of A Guide Book Of United States Type Coins by Q. David Bowers. The book is perhaps the first real analysis of collecting by type and in all probability it will make a significant difference in the interest in type collecting and prices of key type coins as the years go by.
In reality there has really been very little attention paid to type coin collecting in numismatic literature in large part because there are few, if any individuals, who are truly qualified to treat type coin collecting in depth. It is a simple fact of life as there are many great dealers, collectors and scholars all of whom may have nearly encyclopedic knowledge in a given area.
Having that in-depth knowledge for the entire span of U.S. coins is a very different thing and few, if any, have the qualifications of Q. David Bowers. It is natural that Bowers would be interested in type collecting as he has over the years handled literally every coin of the United States.
Such a claim may sound like hyperbole, but in Bowers case it is legitimate. Moreover, over the years he has handled most of the great collections, meaning he has not only had experience with every coin of the United States but also in most cases with the finest known example. It makes him a natural for a book on typecollecting and it makes his observations especially valuable.
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Serious discussion of type collecting has been neglected for a long time. The circulation finds generation wanted an example of every date and mintmark. It was wired into their brains by the Whitman albums they filled as kids.
However, for a long time it has really not been possible for collectors to approach collecting as they once did attempting to acquire an example of every coin issued in the history of the United States.
There are number of coins now in the group where there is only one possible in private hands such as the 1933 Saint-Gaudens double eagle, 1870-S half dime and $3, a single 1822 half eagle in private hands, the 1873-CC no arrows dime and a number of others. That means there are simply not enough of the great rarities to have many collectors attempting a complete collection at the same time.
There are other factors that make type collecting more logical today. Even though few can attempt a complete U.S. collection, it is also becoming increasingly difficult to attempt even a substantial collection for a period of a century. Back in the 1950s when people would talk about a 20th century type collection few would take it very seriously as such a collection was easy to assemble even in uncirculated grades as back in the 1950s any uncirculated Barber quarter or half dollar would suffice. Such a collection is much more difficult today as now the demanding buyer wants an MS-65 and those are not as easily found as a simple uncirculated.
While a type collection for a century has become more difficult, the individual collections possible have become even more of a problem. Today you might be able to attempt a collection of one or two major sets, but very few have the financial resources and patience to attempt all the half dollars of the United States or all the coins of the past century.
In some ways it is probably not being negative but rather realistic to suggest that the day of the truly enormous private collections like Norweb and Eliasberg is basically at an end. That does not mean there will be no great collections as there will always be great and important collections. It is simply a case where the great collections of the future are likely to be different from the great collections of the past, which were clearly an attempt to obtain one example of every date from every mint in the history of the United States. Those collections are rapidly becoming impossible, giving way to more realistic challenges such as having the nicest collection of Seated Liberty dollars or Barber quarters.
The times and the collecting patterns are changing and type collecting fits in well as a potential source of increased interest in the future. In fact, the 50-state quarters may well be a sign that a new generation of collectors while interested in collecting in a traditional manner may be even more interested in a collection that offers diversity of designs.
That diversity has always been at the root of the appeal of type collecting. Whether a type collection involves just the coins of the past century or all the coins of the United States, there is significant diversity and in attempting such a collection you are basically forced to study the coins of a period.
Certainly one major feature of the Bowers book is that it has given real credibility to type collecting, which it might have lacked in the past. There have probably been type collectors throughout U.S. history from the time someone back in 1793 looked at the reverse of a large cent and was startled to discover that it no longer had a Chain reverse but rather a Wreath. Later in the year that early observer of U.S. coins could have found still another different 1793 cent design and if they had decided to obtain one of each they might have been starting a large cent collection, but it is equally likely they were collecting by type.
Since the 1930s, the focus has been basically on acquiring an example of every coin of every date and mint. The type collection almost had a stigma of being basically ordinary coins that were easily assembled. Of course, that view assumed you were not concerned about the condition of those coins and that you were also not attempting gold coins where many early issues are difficult. In fact, even if the type collection was of the 20th century, it could be basic or it could be made more difficult by adding some coins like the 1909 VDB Lincoln cent or the 1921 Peace dollar, which are legitimately different types, but which are not included in the most basic of collections.
If the Bowers book makes a single important contribution to numismatic literature, it is that perhaps America’s most respected expert is clearly taking type collecting seriously and equally clearly pointing out that there are a number of type coins that are legitimately challenging. In fact, Bowers not only explains that some designs are tough, but includes lists of the toughest designs as well as another important piece of information regarding which types, while perhaps readily available in circulated grades, are extremely difficult in Mint State.
For example, he states, “Among type coins the 1794 and 1795 Flowing Hair half dimes, half dollars and silver dollars are scarce, but still readily available in such grades as VF or even EF. But in gem Mint State each is incredibly rare. The same can be said for most other early copper and silver issues.”
In fact, the book, which gives a description of every type, also includes charts of availability. Market value and past market performance in assorted grades. For the type collection or potential type collector it is a virtual road map as to what the challenges will be in your collection.
It might seem like a stretch to suggest that one book can make a significant difference in the market, but consider for a moment the 1796 and 1797 half dollars with a Draped Bust obverse and small eagle reverse. The combined mintage for the two years was just 3,918 pieces and of that total Bowers estimates fewer than 350 remain today, which would be well within the normal 3-10 percent some suggest as a survival rate for early issues. As Bowers suggests, “Among the design types of United States silver coins made in circulation strike format (not proof finish) this is the Holy Grail, the rarest by far.”
When you examine the availability in terms of the estimates Bowers provides as to numbers known and numbers certified you can easily see that a book such as this if it were to encourage even just a small number of collectors to consider forming a high-grade type collection it could have an enormous impact. After all, Bowers suggests that there are only a couple dozen of the 1796 and 1797 half dollars combined in Mint State and there are even doubts the number is that high with the remaining 200 to 300 examples in circulated grades.
Even in circulated grades with the number certified from AU-50 to AU-58 being no higher than the Mint State total the impact of even a few new serious collectors with substantial budgets can be understood as there is simply no supply at today’s prices of the 1796 or 1797 half dollar to meet any new demand.
What can be surprising as you read through the descriptions of various issues is that there is a significant number of issues where the numbers known in any grades are just a few hundred and even more where the numbers known in Mint State are also far too small to satisfy any new demand.
Take, for example, the first $2.50 gold piece of the United States, the 1796 without stars on the obverse. If a number of new collectors were to surface requiring the 1796 no stars quarter eagle for their collection, where would the coins be found at today’s prices as the no stars 1796 had a mintage of just 963. In fact the no stars 1796 seems to have a decent survival rate as Bowers estimates 150 to 225 in circulated grades, but the number in Mint State is put at just 20 and all but three of them are in the MS-60 to MS-62 range. Just a small number of serious new collectors could have an enormous impact when the numbers known are so small and that is the case over and over again in the early issues of the United States and especially in early gold issues.
In his analysis Bowers is also not at all timid about his views on the appropriate place for certain issues. A good example are Gobrecht dollars, which many have basically dismissed as patterns over the years. In fact, Bowers includes them as two different types with the 1836 having no stars on the obverse but stars on the reverse, while the 1839 has stars on the obverse but none on the reverse. Including the two at all is important recognition, which Bowers supports, noting in the case of the 1839, “now it is known that in 1839 the mintage of 300 coins of this type was mostly placed into circulation.”
Suffice to say with a mintage estimated at 300 even though many still survive today, the 1839 has suffered over the years as not being seen as the type coin it is and this recognition by Bowers may well change the view of many or at least suggest to some who have not really studied the situation that there are two types of Gobrecht dollars with both being tough and extremely desirable. As Bowers concludes, “The 1839 Gobrecht dollar stands today as the rarest of all types in silver,” and that statement alone could well produce additional interest in what was for many a somewhat obscure and misunderstood coin in the past.
The Gobrecht dollar is simply scarce, although among the numbers known the bulk would tend to be in better grades although that is less evident in the case of the 1836, but generally speaking it is the opposite of the situation found with most early issues.
In general for early issues of U.S. coins, the numbers known while perhaps low will be in circulated grades with VF-20 being a fairly average grade. In Mint State, however, many early issues simply are unavailable. The 1794 Liberty Cap large head facing right half cent is a good example. Once again Bowers takes a clear stand as to whether this coin should be considered a distinct type by including it as a type and if you do consider it a distinct type and not included with the other 1795 to 1797 issues you find an immediate problem. There might be 2,000 examples of this type known to exist in all grades although the number Bowers places between 1,000 and 2,000, so while available there is a severe problem if you want an example in Mint State as there the estimate is just 15 to 25 pieces, which is hardly enough to supply many with an example if new demand were to surface either from half cent or type collectors. That, while perhaps more extreme than others is typical of the real difficulty in assembling a Mint State type collection especially if you include types from the 1790s and early 1800s.
There is more than ample food for thought in some of the other information to be found in the Bowers book. Having read Q. David Bowers for more than four decades, it would be fair of me to suggest that no one has more consistently advocated purchasing the best coin you can afford. That wisdom if practiced results not only in more enjoyment from your collection but normally speaking a better return on the dollars you invest in your collection. Anyone who tried to cut corners in obtaining the best will usually find themselves wishing they had listened to Bowers and others who have preached quality over the years.
As Bowers readily admits when it comes to coins of the past century, Mint State examples are not rare. In fact, only a few issues of the 1900s would be seen as tough even in a grade such as MS-65 and the more recent the coin normally speaking the more easily it is discovered in top grade.
In his information on all the individual types we find more than ample evidence to suggest that at least in type and very probably in regular sets as well the standard of quality most would assume they want in their coins is perhaps not good enough. Certainly, in the case of most coins in U.S. history, obtaining an example in Mint State is desirable and an example in MS-65 is even better. Advanced type coin collectors might even go higher in grade if the potential exists.
What we can learn from the information in the Bowers type coin book is that realistically if you want a truly top quality type collection in some cases MS-65 is not good enough. For example, in the case of silver clad Kennedy half dollars from 1965-1970 Bowers lists the certified population at 2,508 in MS-65, but in MS-66 it is even higher at 2,811 while in MS-67 the total is 1,886. Only in MS-68 where just 132 have been certified is there a significant decrease in numbers available. Those totals would certainly suggest that if you are to buy the best you can afford when it comes to the silver clad Kennedy half dollars from 1965-1970 the coin you want is an MS-68 or at least an MS-67 and not an MS-65.
In fact the situation is hardly limited to Kennedy half dollars and it is not all that surprising as after all the current grading system comes from the 1949 Harper Brothers Early American Cents by Dr. William Sheldon and the system dealt with large cents from 1793-1814. In fact, if you counted up all the large cents from those years certified in MS-67 and above you would probably find that the total is not even equal to one year of the Kennedy silver clad half dollars or any other types currently in production and that is no surprise as the methods for production are significantly improved since 1814 and the number of collectors to save top quality example is substantially larger.
While it is easy to understand why there are more coins being produced today in top grades the fact is that if you are assembling the best possible collection of type coins, or any others for that matter, some adjustments in the grade you are seeking will be required. That shows clearly in the special section Bowers has on the 50-state quarters where he includes the grade seen most often at the grading services of each of the quarters. For example, the most often seen grades for the Delaware quarter are MS-65 and MS-66, but in the case of Texas, the grades seen most often at the grading services are MS-67 and MS-68. While it is still very early to draw conclusions for the 50-state quarters as a whole the fact is that the possibility is very real that some of the 50-state quarters will prove to be tougher than others in some grades although they all seem uniform at least for now as in the case of proofs the grade you want is at least Proof-69.
With a wealth of information about the entire history of U.S. coins, A Guide Book of United States Type Coins is a significant contribution and it might mark the point in numismatic history where a change in collector attitudes will come to be seen as a break with the full-set approach that prevailed for much of the 20th century.
Type coin collecting could become the dominant method in the 21st century, but not before the Baby Boomers hang it up.
Fractional gold has purpose, or does it? 
Posted by Dave
Since sales of fractional gold American Eagle bullion coins began in June, the tenth-ounce coins have moved out the door at a reasonable pace.
As of July 13, buyers had taken 300,000 of the small coins. They are popular as jewelry and they also are popularly used by promoters to entice novice gold buyer’s to get genuine U.S. Mint gold at a price that doesn’t choke a horse.
One-tenth of the present $1,200 price of an ounce of gold is much easier for novice buyers to part with than the cost of the one-ounce coin.
Obviously, though ,with sales approaching 700,000 pieces, demand for the one-ounce coin is not hurting. Savvy investors need no introduction to it.
Sales of the half-ounce coin at 31,000 pieces and the quarter ounce at 44,000 coins are betwixt and between. They aren’t the standard investment coin and they are not nearly as popular as jewelry. So what exactly are they?
In days when $2.50, $5 and $10 coins were needed to make change for gold $20s, the smaller sizes had a purpose.
With investment coins, you don’t need to make change, though I have seen the concept bruited about online as the fractional gold coins are tipped as needed when the currency system breaks down and change in gold will again be required.
Judging from current fractional gold American Eagle sales, perhaps that point is a rather hard one to make.
| – Posted 16 June, 2010 | Share this article| Discuss This Article – Comments: 1 Source: SilverSeek.comRecently, the metals markets have become far more volatile, often rising and falling upwards of three to four percentage points in just one day. That volatility, however, is nothing you should fear. In fact, it’s mostly due to the extreme attention being paid to the metals markets. Silver More Important than Ever Momentarily leaving aside what we know from the work of GATA and Ted Butler – namely that both gold and silver price discovery is predominately controlled by a few dominant (bullion bank) sellers – perhaps the most volatile in the metals markets is silver. Despite owing much of its demand to industrial uses and photographic development, is still a prime target for anti-inflation investors. As gold treads toward new heights and pushes the 70:1 ratio with gold’s price, investors are looking to trade in their gold holdings for silver, realizing it has yet to reach its maximum price. Of course, this is easily reflected in daily volume and price changes, with silver rising and falling at different times and degrees than that of gold. However, even more recently as gold as pushed upward, silver has followed, and in many times, silver has risen on days when gold has taken a sharp dip. Embrace Volatility with Purchases Even as silver heads to new highs, there is still no sign that investors should even contemplate an exit. With silver at a 70:1 ratio with gold, one should expect at least a slight pullback in gold or an advance in silver prices, though gold appears to be stagnating temporarily while silver plays catch up. The catch up advance in silver prices will take some time, and it will ultimately come in the form of ten steps up, eight back, ten steps up, eight back. This extreme volatility may be shunned upon by investors, most of whom are looking for a store of value, but what it actually does is allow for even more entry points as silver bottoms out on the silver to gold ratio. Few times has silver touched the 70:1 value against gold, and every time it did, the price of silver rose significantly while gold stagnated. If you believe history is an excellent indicator, and it should be, then there is no excuse not to be loading up on silver at today’s relatively low prices to gold. Start Shopping at $17 Physical silver’s sister security is the exchange-traded fund SLV, which may not have all the same benefits of physical silver, but does give an accurate representation of what silver investors are doing in the other physical and futures markets. At $17 on the exchange-traded fund, investors are buying hand over fist, whereas less than three months ago they were selling at that price. Knowing this, we can establish that the short term floor on silver is at $17 on SLV, which works out to about $17.25 on the spot metals markets or roughly $18 in the physical markets.
The Perfect Storm With gold on a tear through $1250 and silver breaching the bottom of the historical silver to gold ratio, there has never been a better time to buy. Silver’s volatility should smooth as the metal closes the gap with gold with higher prices. Dr. Jeffrey Lewis www.silver-coin-investor.com |
Viewpoint: Gold Preserves Integrity of Money
| By Donald Markay, Numismatic News June 15, 2010 |
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Gold is money. Gold was money and will be money because gold helps ensure honesty in economic transactions.
I’m addressing V. Kurt Bellman’s (VKB) commentary of April 27 to dispute some information he presents as fact and his rationale for excluding all but degreed economists from the discussion of economic matters.
VKB states as “Fact 2” that, “Gold is not money, nor is silver.” Money is defined as a medium of exchange and gold and silver have been used as money for more than 2,000 years.
From 1792 until 1971 the U.S. dollar was defined as an amount of gold. Gold coins were in circulation from Colonial days until 1933. Gold is a commodity money. So too in Colonial times were silver, copper, wampum, tobacco and pelts.
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Money as a medium of exchange can be said to perform functions described as, 1. an accounting unit, 2. standard of value and 3. store of value. Relatively well-managed fiat monies such as the U.S. dollar work well for the first two functions, but fail miserably as a store of value. Gold and silver have served well as a store of value since the U.S. dollar was severed from gold in 1971. Since that time the U.S. dollar has lost more than 80 percent of its purchasing power in terms of food, shelter, clothing and energy, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Gold and silver have preserved that purchasing power.
When VKB states that one should “leave economics to the economists” and that “my degree is in economics,” he is not promoting his arguments on their merits, but credentialism. Neither is it instructive or convincing to label a differing view with derogatory terms such as “fetish.”
VKB doesn’t acknowledge that arguments continue to be made for the desirability of commodity-based money. In the 1970s I attended the University of Illinois at Chicago and kept a text entitled, Money and Economic Activity, Readings in Money and Banking, edited by Lawrence Ritter, Chairman, Dept. of Finance, New York University under the publisher’s general editorship of Marshall D. Ketchum of the University of Chicago, copyright 1967. In Chapter 2, “Money and Gold” and Chapter 6, the pros and cons of gold-backed money were discussed. In the Nov. 30, 2009 Barron’s, Economic Editor Gene Epstein wrote, “Briefly I said the key to a (relatively) painless transition was to keep the money supply at its current level, while switching to a commodity money consisting of gold, and probably silver and copper as well.”
In the 1970s, the U.S. government conducted a war on gold. From Jan. 6, 1975, through 1979, the U.S. sold 17,053,900 ounces of gold at 21 auctions.1 A goal was to prevent the use of gold as a competitor to the U.S. fiat money by driving down the price. Gold won.
Fiat currencies are again under severe pressure not seen since the 1970s. Defenders of the world’s money magicians who are manipulating fiat currencies continue to pop up, telling us to believe, although their failure is there for all to see.
VKB asks, “If the people holding and advertising bullion to you now were so certain that gold can only go up from here, why would they be selling it to you instead of holding onto it themselves to earn nearly certain profits?” It is not inherently contradictory that someone selling an investment can actually believe it will go up in value. On the contrary, by selling a readily available item, such as gold and silver, a person can earn more money and invest more in the item they are selling.
Are we to believe that VKB with his degree in economics does not understand this? Perhaps it is more likely that VKB is employing a simple rhetorical trick, assuming that it is only simple-minded people who believe in gold-backed money and buy gold and silver to protect themselves from a continuously debased money.
A productive people are essential to a prosperous nation. One way to ensure that is to use commodity money, preferably gold. Gold helps to preserve liberty through the strengthening of property rights by preserving the integrity of money. Without property rights, that is the right to keep the fruit of one’s labor, there is no liberty. Gold can be considered a neutral economic arbiter, preventing money manipulation, which is easy with fiat money and allows politicians to reward their supporters through the inflations of the money supply.
Gold and Liberty, by Richard Salsman.
Donald Markay is a hobbyist from Fargo, N.D. To have your opinion considered for Viewpoint, write to David C. Harper, Editor, Numismatic News, 700 E. State St., Iola, WI 54990. Send e-mail to david.harper@fwmedia.com.
Knowledgeable Gold Buyers Wanted
09/06/10
Knowledgeable Gold Buyers Wanted
June 08, 2010
By Dave
I had a call from a married couple yesterday. They did not identify themselves to me, though it is possible they did so when they first reached my colleague Debbie Bradley.
After the call was transferred to me, it was the wife on the phone. She wanted to know if there was such a thing as a $50 gold piece.
I told her about the $50 American Eagle one-ounce coin.
I explained that these coins had been struck by the U.S. Mint since 1986 and that they were then sold into the bullion market, priced and traded at the current price of gold plus the mark-up.
She wanted a ballpark figure, so I said $1,250 plus the mark-up, which I said fluctuates.
She wondered why she couldn’t find this information in her book, though she never told me what it was. Perhaps she would have, but her husband was asking questions in the background and finally his wife gave him the phone.
He wanted to know about $20 gold pieces and what they were worth. I told him they traded among collectors based on condition.
He was impatient with that. He asked what’s the base price if the coin was in terrible condition.
I said it was worth the gold price or roughly $1,250 because it contained 96 percent of an ounce of gold.
He retorted that that’s what I had told his wife was the base price of the gold $50.
I said that’s because they are both approximately the same weight.
“You mean the $20 weighs the same as the $50? How can that be?
More or less, I replied, because the $20 was struck 1933 and before and the American Eagle was struck to a different standard starting in 1986.
He couldn’t seem to wrap his mind around the concept of the $20 and $50 coins being roughly the same weight and repeated the same questions.
Then he threw in the statement that someone was offering him coins for $500.
I replied that if they were one-ounce coins they were probably fake. I suppose I could have said stolen, but I didn’t get that far before he blurted out:
“I don’t buy fakes,” he exclaimed indignantly.
I asked why anyone would sell a coin to him with a base value of $1,250 for $500.
He was silent and still indignant.
He did not volunteer the identity of who was offering him the coins or what this person or firm claimed the coins to be.
After 10 minutes of this, he was ready to go, said good-bye and hung up.
I fear that the callers are going to end up having less money at the end of the week than what they started with.
Gold Sales to Europe Jump on Crisis, Perth Mint Says (Update1)
By Jason Scott
June 4 (Bloomberg) — Gold sales to Europe from the Perth Mint surged in May as the Greek sovereign-debt crisis triggered a flight to haven investments, draining stockpiles at the producer of 6 percent of the world’s bullion.
Buyers from the continent accounted for 69 percent of gold- coin purchases last month compared with 51 percent a year ago, said Ron Currie, sales and marketing director. Individual German investors also bought silver, seeking to protect their wealth with “poor man’s gold,” Currie said from Western Australia.
Greece’s fiscal crisis roiled financial markets worldwide, driving the euro lower. Gold reached a record in May as sovereign-debt risks escalated. The mint is working at full capacity with 20 percent more staff than a year ago, Currie said.
“As soon as it was announced the European Commission was bailing out Greece, the German population decided they’d better hedge their euros by buying precious metals,” Currie said in an interview yesterday. “We had stock before this blip in the market, then it all went.”
Spot gold traded at $1,205.94 an ounce at 9:54 a.m. in Singapore today compared with last month’s record of $1,249.40 and $1,096.95 at the end of last year. The precious metal has gained for nine straight years. Silver, which peaked this year at $19.8275 an ounce on May 13, traded today at $17.9425.
‘Safety of Gold’
“Anyone throughout Europe who understands how the euro is being debased is seeking the safety of gold,” said James Turk, founder of GoldMoney.com, an online gold-buying and storage service that has passed $1 billion of customer assets. The metal may advance further next week, a Bloomberg survey showed.
European leaders have proposed an almost $1 trillion loan package to contain the region’s fiscal crisis, including funds from the International Monetary Fund. The euro has declined against all 16 major counterparts in the past three months, dropping the most against the dollar, with a 12 percent fall.
“The gold market in Europe, and particularly in Germany, has just taken off,” Currie said from the 111-year-old mint, which was founded on the back of a gold rush in the state that accounts for 62 percent of the nation’s mineral production.
“People in Germany are buying silver, which leads me to believe it’s the moms and pops stocking up on ‘poor man’s gold’,” said Currie. “They could be storing it in their homes or burying it in their gardens.”
The mint, controlled by the Western Australian government, has 300 staff and doubled capacity in the past 18 months, Currie said, declining to give a total output figure for coins and bars, or the value of the bullion stored on behalf of buyers. Investors can opt to buy and store gold at the mint, or buy coins to hold themselves.
‘Greeks Changed Everything’
“We came off the highs of the global crisis, we were rolling along at a steady pace for a while and the Greeks changed everything,” said Currie. Standard & Poor’s cut Greece’s rating to junk status on April 27.
The rush for bullion in May at the Perth Mint was matched overseas. The U.S. Mint sold 190,000 ounces of American Eagle gold coins last month, the most since December. Rand Refinery Ltd., the world’s largest gold-smelting facility, has raised weekly production of Krugerrand coins to a 25-year high, Treasurer Debra Thomson said yesterday.
CME Group Inc., the world’s largest futures market, said gold-futures trading rose to a record in May. Gold trading on the Comex unit was 4.82 million contracts, exceeding the 4.57 million record set in January, the Chicago-based CME said June 2.
‘Financial Crisis’
“Sales have come off the highs of the global financial crisis, but they haven’t fallen anywhere near to where they were before the crisis,” Currie said. In the 12 months to June 30, sales of the mint’s 1-ounce Kangaroo and other gold coins may fall by about 16 percent to about 350,000 ounces from the year before, Currie said. Silver will match that drop even as sales of that metal spiked in the past two months, he said.
“It’s a volatile market and you can’t pick what’s going to happen from day to day,” Currie said. “The Indian market isn’t what it was, jewelry sales are down, but the ETFS are up and the overall gold price is still high. Our assumption is that volatility will continue.”
Holdings in the SPDR Gold Trust, the biggest exchange- traded fund backed by bullion, rose to 1,289.84 tons yesterday. India’s gold imports may reach a 12-month low of 15 tons to 17 tons in May as rising prices slowed imports, the Business Standard reported yesterday, citing Suresh Hundia, president of the Bombay Bullion Association.
Western Australia produces 6 percent of the world’s gold, valued at A$5 billion in the year to June 30, 2009, according to state government figures. The mint processes all the gold mined in Australia as well as imports of scrap from overseas, Currie said.
To contact the reporter on this story: Jason Scott in Perth at jscott14@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: June 3, 2010 22:22 EDT
Gold Set for Worst Week Since February 2009; Palladium Slumps
May 21, 2010, 5:03 AM EDT
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By Nicholas Larkin and Kim Kyoungwha
May 21 (Bloomberg) — Gold dropped, heading for its biggest weekly loss since February 2009, as some investors sold to cover losses in other markets and lock in gains after a rally to a record a week ago. Palladium and platinum slumped.
Gold dropped this week as other commodities and equities tumbled. German business confidence unexpectedly fell after Europe’s debt crisis rattled financial markets, while growth in Europe’s services and manufacturing industries slowed more than economists forecast.
Gold “continues to suffer a lot as investors are forced to liquidate” positions to cover losses elsewhere, said Bernard Sin, head of currency and metals trading at bullion refiner MKS Finance SA in Geneva. “We think the market is very oversold. Bargain-hunters may come in and support prices” soon, he said.
Gold for immediate delivery lost as much as $16.05, or 1.4 percent, to $1,166.30 an ounce and traded at $1,175.25 at 9:28 a.m. in London. The metal is down 4.7 percent this week, the most since the five days to Feb. 27 last year. Bullion for June delivery was 1.1 percent lower at $1,175.10 on the Comex in New York.
The Reuters/Jefferies CRB Index of 19 raw materials dropped 1 percent to 250.07 yesterday to the lowest level since September. Oil futures are down 2.5 percent this week and the MSCI World Index of shares headed for a 5.5 percent weekly drop.
Gold rallied to an all-time high of $1,249.40 an ounce on May 14 and is headed for its 10th straight annual gain, the longest winning streak since at least 1920, as investors sought to protect their wealth from Europe’s financial turmoil.
‘Accumulating Gold’
“Long-term-oriented investors are still accumulating gold,” Eugen Weinberg, a Frankfurt-based analyst with Commerzbank AG, wrote in a report yesterday. The recent price slump “is probably attributable to profit-taking by speculative investors,” Weinberg said.
Assets in the SPDR Gold Trust, the biggest exchange-traded fund backed by bullion, rose to a record 1,220.15 metric tons on May 19. The fund’s assets were unchanged yesterday, its website showed. Ten of 18 traders, investors and analysts surveyed by Bloomberg said bullion would climb next week. Six forecast lower prices and two were neutral.
Gold’s price ratios to platinum and palladium surged to their highest levels this year on concern the European debt crisis may hamper global growth, damping demand for the metals used in auto catalysts.
An ounce of gold bought as much as 0.8092 ounce of platinum today, and as much as 2.9532 ounces of palladium, the most since December 2009. Platinum and palladium are used mainly in catalytic converters, which curb emissions from automobiles.
Platinum for immediate delivery in London fell 1.8 percent to $1,485.75 an ounce, after dropping to $1,448, the lowest level since Dec. 31. Palladium plunged as much as 4.9 percent to $396.25 an ounce, extending this week’s losses to 25 percent, and was last at $410.25. Silver for immediate delivery lost 0.5 percent to $17.5725 an ounce.
–With assistance from Glenys Sim in Singapore. Editors: John Deane, Claudia Carpenter.
To contact the reporters on this story: Kyoungwha Kim in Singapore at kkim19@bloomberg.net; Nicholas Larkin in London at nlarkin1@bloomberg.net.
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Stuart Wallace at swallace6@bloomberg.net.
Palladium Has Biggest Two-Day Drop in 12 Years; Platinum Falls
May 20, 2010, 3:10 PM EDT
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By Millie Munshi and Nicholas Larkin
May 20 (Bloomberg) — Palladium futures plunged, capping the biggest two-day slump in 12 years, on concern that demand will dwindle amid dimming prospects for the global economy. Platinum tumbled the most since December 2008.
Europe’s debt crisis and slowing growth in China may erode consumption of the metals used mostly for pollution-control devices in cars. Ford Motor Co.’s deliveries in main European markets fell 17 percent in April, the first drop in 11 months. In two days, palladium dropped 19 percent, the most since May 1998. Before this month, the price surged 36 percent in 2010.
“Prices had gotten extended way too high, and it left the metal particularly vulnerable to changes in the economic situation,” said Donald Selkin, the chief market strategist at National Securities Corp. in New York. “People are looking at the overall macro picture now and thinking things are not going to be as good as they had hoped.”
Palladium futures for June delivery fell $50.75, or 11 percent, to $408.95 an ounce on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Yesterday, the metal tumbled 9.3 percent on record aggregate volume of 14,684 contracts. As of 2:34 p.m., estimated volume was 11,439 contracts. The two-day price drop was the biggest since May 1998.
Platinum futures for July delivery dropped $109.90, or 6.8 percent, to $1,495.80 an ounce, the biggest drop for a most- active contract since Dec. 1, 2008. Earlier, the metal touched $1,490.30, the lowest level since Feb. 12. The price has tumbled 14 percent this month.
Toshiyuki Shiga, the chairman of the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association, said the European crisis has made him less optimistic about the global auto market than a month ago.
‘First Out’
On May 10, Peter Sorrentino, who helps manage $12.8 billion at Huntington Asset Advisors in Cincinnati, said palladium may fall to as low as $430 by September. The metal touched $406 today.
“People should make sure they’re the first out of the exit and not the last,” Sorrentino said.
Prices gained for 12 straight months through April. The introduction of an exchange-traded fund backed by the metal in January boosted demand, Selkin of National Securities said. An ETF for platinum was also launched in New York this year.
“There’s very high speculative interest” in the metals, said Walter de Wet, an analyst at Standard Bank Plc in London. “With risk as high as it has been, we expect to see some liquidation.”
–With assistance from Makiko Kitamura in Tokyo. Editors: Patrick McKiernan, Steve Stroth
To contact the reporters on this story: Millie Munshi in New York at mmunshi@bloomberg.net; Nicholas Larkin in London at nlarkin1@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Steve Stroth at sstroth@bloomberg.net.
By Jim Wyckoff
Nymex platinum and palladium futures markets this week have seen strong selling pressure that has resulted in major near-term chart damage which has put the bears in firm near-term technical command. Platinum futures this week have shed around $200.00 an ounce, while palladium futures are down around $120.00 an ounce this week.
The daily bar chart for July platinum futures shows that prices Thursday spiked to a fresh three-month low of $1,490.30. Prices are presently in a steep two-week-old downtrend on the daily bar chart. The next downside technical objective for the empowered platinum bears is to push and close prices below solid chart support at the February low of $1,456.00 an ounce.
It would take a close in July platinum futures back above strong technical resistance at $1,625.00 to provide the bulls with some fresh upside near-term technical momentum.
June palladium futures are in a steep three-week-old downtrend on the daily bar chart and hit a fresh 3.5-month low. The next downside price objective for the powerful bears is to produce a close below solid technical support at the February low of $382.00.
It would take a close back above major psychological resistance at $500.00 an ounce to provide the palladium bulls with fresh upside near-term technical momentum and repair this week’s chart damage.
By Jim Wyckoff, contributing to Kitco News; jim@jimwyckoff.com



