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Mystery is Key to 1895-O Morgan
05/12/11
Mystery is Key to 1895-O Morgan
| By Paul M. Green, Numismatic News November 30, 2011 |

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The 1895-O is a Morgan dollar with a great story and a few mysteries. The 1895-O, basically alone among Morgan dollars, did not manage to find its way into the Treasury bags paid out in the 1960s, thus it never had any added numbers in Mint State to help supplies. Yet its scarcity today is just a small part of an interesting story.
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The situation with silver dollars had changed by 1895. The large silver purchases of the Bland-Allison Act and Sherman Silver Purchase Act, which were used to make silver dollars quite literally by the ton, had either expired or been changed.
The United States certainly did not need any more silver dollars in 1895, but they were still minted, though in smaller numbers.
In the case of the 1895-O Morgan, the mintage was a low 450,000, but of course there were virtually no silver dollar collectors who cared at the time. Whether there was any saving of the 1895-O is a good question.
Of course with virtually everything about it a mystery, it is hard to answer.
What little we know is that the 1895-O simply never appeared anywhere in great numbers. Q. David Bowers suggests that perhaps a total of around 100,000 were issued at the time of its minting. It is worth noting that as of July 1, 1895, there were some 9.6 million silver dollars sitting in the vaults at New Orleans. It might have been normal to release some examples of a new date but certainly if anyone in New Orleans needed a silver dollar the 1895-O was not the only choice on hand.
If we assume Bowers is right, the next question is what happened to the remaining 350,000 1895-O dollars?
There is the very real chance that at least some were part of the more than 270 million silver dollars melted in 1918 because of the provisions of the Pittman Act.
If, for example, 250,000 1895-O Morgans were melted as a result of the Pittman Act and 100,000 had already been issued, we suddenly have only 100,000 sitting in vaults. They could have trickled out a few at a time without generating much interest.
Bowers reports rumors of several dozen to a couple hundred coming from the Treasury but concludes “I have found no account or even a rumor of any being a part of the 1962-1964 Treasury releases.” That leaves us with a supply today of lightly circulated pieces with an MS-60 priced at $15,000 while in MS-65 the price is $165,000.
In fact, most settle for something less than MS-64, as once you reach upper Mint State grades there is very little supply. The 1895-O was not especially well made, with most being lightly struck with dull luster.
With fewer than 20 examples likely in MS-65 or better, the real issue is what happened to the 1895-O? To that question, there are simply theories, as there is no proof it was melted or simply circulated.
Certainly the reputation of the 1895-O as a key Morgan in top grades is deserved, as few can be found at any price. The fact that it was never found in any Treasury releases makes the 1895-O Morgan dollar stand out as something special and especially interesting.
1899 Morgan Had Role in Roy Rogers Movie
| By Tom LaMarre, Coins Magazine August 30, 2011 |

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You might say that an 1899 Morgan dollar had a starring role in a Roy Rogers movie released in 1948, “Night Time in Nevada.”
In the story, a murdered miner’s lucky silver dollar points his daughter and Roy in the killer’s direction.
Mounted in a horseshoe-shaped metal holder engraved with the miner’s name, the silver dollar is an 1899, from the year he was born.
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I won’t give the plot away entirely, but at the end of the movie, Roy hands the lucky dollar to the miner’s daughter. However, she rejects it, saying it had never brought good luck to anyone. Roy agrees and throws it off the side of a mountain, not far from the body of the murderer who fell to his death.
Because of the film’s western setting, the coin was probably an 1899-S, one of the more than 2.5 million silver dollars struck at the San Francisco Mint that year. Among them were “medium S” and “wide S” varieties.
The Philadelphia and New Orleans Mints also struck silver dollars in 1899. The 1899-O can be found in “small O” and “large O” varieties.
The Sherman Silver Purchase Act of 1890 had picked up where the Bland-Allison Act left off, providing for the production of millions of silver dollars. But it was repealed in 1893.
Many 1899-S dollars may have been struck from imported silver. In 1898, Treasury officials arranged for J. & W. Seligman & Co. to exchange silver bullion for certificates of deposit.
The company controlled the Anglo-California Bank of San Francisco, which received silver consignments from Mexico, Central America, South America and British Columbia.
The silver bullion, averaging 10 million ounces a year, was to be turned over to the San Francisco Mint for conversion into silver dollars.
It may not have worked out exactly that way, however, because the San Francisco Mint’s silver dollar production in 1899 fell short of the quantity it would have struck if it had used 10 million ounces of silver bullion.
Nevertheless, a Treasury officer said that demand for silver dollars was unprecedented in 1899, and that it came from every section of the country. This was something different. Traditionally, silver dollars had been most popular in the West, and were neglected in other parts of the country.
Silver dollars even attracted the attention of the criminal element. In March 1899, six men were arrested in New York City and charged with making and selling counterfeit silver dollars. The bogus coins were described as “clever imitations” which had fooled many bankers.
Silver dollars of 1899 may have been unlucky for counterfeiters and big-screen outlaws, but they’ve turned out to be a real bargain for collectors. Coin Prices lists the 1899 dollar at $170 because of its mintage of only 330,884 pieces. But the 1899-O and 1899-S are each valued at less than $30 in Fine-12.
As for the movie, “Night Time in Nevada,” it’s available in Mill Creek Entertainment’s “Cowboy Classics,” a collection of 100 Westerns on 24 DVDs.
What to Buy to Begin Investing In and Building a Collection of Rare Coins
By Mark Ferguson on July 14, 2011 3:06 PM
By Mark Ferguson for CoinWeek – MFrarecoins.com
Last week I wrote about “Basic Tools for Buying Rare Coins in Today’s Market.” As I talked about in that article, once you’ve learned the basics of how the rare coin market works, you can start focusing on developing a plan with which to begin building your investment in a collection of rare coins. This plan may even include attending coin shows and auctions just to look at lots of coins and to ask lots of questions. This is the way to learn.
Many dealers in the business stay away from using the word “investment” in association with rare coins. While we’re not selling investments in securities, we’re selling expensive physical objects. You may be spending $5,000, $50,000, or $350,000, for example, on a rare coin, and you don’t expect this money to be gone for good, like when you spend money on a vacation. No, you or your heirs expect to at least get your money back, and hopefully realize a handsome profit when your rare coins are sold.
Therefore, I think it’s fair to consider the financial aspect of owning rare coins. Rare coins are store of value assets. They aren’t intended to be income producing investments. They’re speculative, and could very well lose value. But, rare coins have also earned some very nice profits for astute and lucky collectors. Collecting rare coins involves outlays of significant sums of capital. That’s why I believe using the word “investment” is appropriate. And, that’s why collecting rare coins has been called, “The Hobby of Kings.”
That being said, before sinking (“investing”) a significant amount of money into rare coins, you’d do yourself a favor by trying to think of who will be buying your coins in the future – say, ten years into the future, for example. Will it be investors? Or, will it be collectors? (You might want to read my comments in last week’s article, referenced above, about the investment-driven coin market of the 1970s and early 1980s, versus a collector-driven market of the 2000s.)
Some things to think about are – What will the economy be like in ten years? Will average working people be buying coins? Will the wealthy be buying coins? If so, what will they be buying? Do you plan on selling the coins, or do you plan on passing them on to heirs?
I think it’s safest to say that the wealthy will be buying coins at the time we want to sell. What will they be buying? Probably not common coins, like late date Walking Liberty half dollars, even though they’re beautiful coins – they’ll most likely be buying coins that are scarce and rare, that are not easily replaced with like kind coins, like one of about 125 silver dollars of 1794 that are estimated by experts to exist. And, they’ll want such coins in tip top condition, frequently in MS 66 or MS 67 grades, for example. But, this isn’t to say that early U.S. coins minted during the 1700s and early 1800s won’t be in demand in eye appealing Extremely Fine or About Uncirculated condition. Those grades are becoming popular as prices climb over the generations.
Although we can imagine the kinds of coins well-heeled collectors will want to buy in ten years, it’s next to impossible to guess what series of coins will be in the greatest demand at that time. Therefore, I believe a great foundation upon which to start building a collection of rare coins is a “type coin” collection.
This is a collection of the different “design types” within a denomination, and extended across all the denominations, such as dimes, quarters, half dollars, and $1, $2 ½, $5, $10 and $20 gold coins, etc.
For example, the first half dollars were struck during 1794 using the “Flowing Hair” design for the first two years. Then the “Draped Bust” design was used, from 1796 to 1807, and replaced by the “Capped Bust” design, from 1807 through 1839. The “Seated Liberty” design came next, from 1839 through 1891, which is followed by the “Barber” half dollars, named after their designer, Charles Barber. These coins were minted from 1892 to 1916, the same year “Walking Liberty” half dollars were introduced, which were produced until 1947. The following year, 1948, the “Franklin” half dollar design came next, and this design was used through 1963. “Kennedy” half dollars were introduced in 1964 and are still in production, even though they are rarely encountered in daily commerce. So, collecting one of each of the design types for a denomination, and extending this throughout the denominations of U.S. coins is called a “type coin” collection.
Such a collection can also be extended to include “subtypes,” which are coins that have minor design changes to a series. For example, a subtype is a small change in reverse designs for the Draped Bust half dollar. On the 1796 and 1797 Draped Bust half dollars there’s a small eagle, and on the Draped Bust half dollars minted from 1801 through 1807 the reverse has a large eagle, called the “Heraldic Eagle” reverse. Another major design change to the Seated Liberty design half dollar revolves around the “With Motto” type and the “No Motto” type. The motto, “In God We Trust,” appears within a ribbon over the head of the eagle on the reverse of Seated Liberty dollars of later years, and for the earlier dated Seated Liberty half dollars, there is no motto.
There are different themes that can be used to build a type coin collection. One theme is to build a collection around first year of issue examples for each series. Another theme is to collect by key dates, which are the scarcest and most expensive coins in a particular series. By planning and developing a collecting plan, you can establish a budget and price limits for each coin in the collection. This will help determine the grades you collect.
A type coin collection will give you diversification across all the segments of U.S. coinage, from copper and nickel coins to silver and gold coins. In the process of building a type coin collection, many collectors discover one or more specific series they’re interested in, like Standing Liberty quarters or St. Gaudens $20 gold coins, for example, and begin building “date sets” in those series. A “date set” is a collection that comprises each date and mintmark combination for a series, like St. Gaudens $20 gold coins, minted from 1907 to 1933.
As rare coin prices have risen over the generations, type coin collecting has become increasingly popular, especially as prices for scarce and rare dates within a series have climbed so high. Collecting by design types allows one, if your budget permits, to own coins that are truly scarce and rare. I recommend going after coins that are difficult to replace, that only come on the market infrequently. More common coins that can be found all around a coin show are easy to replace and likely won’t appreciate anywhere near the rate scarce and rare coins will appreciate. So a great plan to begin investing in a collection of rare coins is with a foundation of a “type coin” collection.
Mark Ferguson was a coin grader for PCGS , a market analyst for Coin Values and has been a coin dealer for more than 40 years. He has written for the ANA, Coin Dealer Newsletter, Coin World, Numismatic News, , Coin Values, The Numismatist and currently has a weekly column on CoinWeek. Mark can be reached at Mark Ferguson Rare Coins ( www.mfrarecoins.com)
Morgans and Peace Dollars Enjoying Up Market
| By Harry Miller, Coins Magazine June 06, 2011 |

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The past month the coin market has been dominated by precious metals, especially silver with a near parabolic rise to just under $50 followed by a 30 percent correction. Much of this was speculation as the silver to gold ratio went from 40 to 1 down to 30 to 1. I suspect before this bull goes to slaughter we will again see this type of action.
The coin market is a smaller market. It is far less manipulated by speculators and wild rumors. Ironically, because it is smaller it is indicative of real value because it requires a lot of work to manipulate and big speculators are not interested in markets where they can’t invest multi-millions at a time.
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The greatest action has been in both Morgan and Peace dollars and the leader has been ironically the more common 1921 Morgan dollar. One West coast buyer purportedly has been trying to assemble 1 million coins. Now not to say the other Morgan dollars were lagging, but the 1921 is almost on par with the less common earlier dates.
Peace dollars have participated very strongly as well achieving prices nearly equal to their older sisters again somewhat contrary to actual relative scarcity. Mint state dollars of both series have soared after many years of near stagnant prices.
MS-62 and MS-63 dollars have virtually doubled in value and the MS-64 and MS-65 coins have added better than 60 percent to their price tags.
The real value today lies in those issues where a premium of 10-40 percent once existed and now they are at or near par with the more common issues. There is also extremely good value to be had in better date issues where they were once double or triple common-date mint state issues and now may be as little as a 30-50 percent premium.
One could also apply this same rationale to many of the mint state U.S. gold type coins, where one can find $20 Saint-Gaudens graded MS-62 at near 10 percent over bullion value. The real trick in this area of the market is to find the mintmarked or earlier dates at just a little more premium. These items will often represent a scarcity of 50 or 100 to 1 over the most common issues.
Indian Head gold $10 issues are good values as date and as type coins. When gold was one-third today’s price the Indian Head eagle was at a $100 premium to the Liberty Head variety and today that premium is much less in grades up to MS-62. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see extreme value here
Collecting Morgan Dollars Part II: an Interview with Steve Estes
By Louis Golino on May 24, 2011 7:20 AM
by Louis Golino
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Steve Estes is a Portland, Oregon coin dealer and a professional numismatist who has been in business since 1963. He and his wife, Debbi, sell primarily PCGS and NGC-certified and some raw coins, especially Morgan and Peace dollars, Walking Liberty halves, and a wide range of other U.S. coins. He conducts business through his web site, www.steveestes.com , advertises regularly in publications such as Coin World, and attends coin shows.
Mr. Estes has developed a 1-10 scale for assessing a coin’s overall eye appeal, and this forms the heart of his coin philosophy. The scale represents his view of how a coin compares to one that is average for the grade and issue. Average coins would get a 5 on his scale, but he specifically looks for higher end coins that are further up the scale for his clients, especially what he calls EA-9 and EA-10 coins, which represent some of the best coins for the grade. EA stands for eye appeal.
He has also published a lot of very useful information for coin collectors on his web site that draws on his numismatic expertise and business experience, such as recommendations on coins which may be undervalued and suggestions about what grade to buy when putting together a collection of a specific series and overall budget. He also has numerous articles about Morgan and Peace dollars, Walking Liberty halves, and other series that focus on the main surface characteristics of specific years and mint marks, such as strike, luster, and contact marks, and other issues. I have found this information, especially that on silver dollars, to be extremely useful and comparable in many ways to Q. David Bowers’ Guidebook of Morgan Silver Dollars without all the historical background.
I recently had the opportunity to interview Mr. Estes.
1.) What led you to become a coin dealer? Did you begin as a collector?
A small accumulation of coins from my grandmother led me to the coin business, which I began as a dealer. I have always been intrigued by the artistic, historic and intrinsic value of coins.
2.) What do you like most about Morgan and Peace dollars, and what led you to specialize primarily in selling those coins as well as Walking Liberty halves?
Though I like all series of U.S. coins, silver dollars always held a special fascination. In the early 1960s I would rush to the bank on my lunch hour, purchase a $1000 bag of silver dollars, scan the contents for better dates and grades, then sell the remainder back to the bank before returning to work. The “good stuff” was quickly shipped off to dealers with buy ads in the back of coin publications. I learned a lot about Silver dollars very quickly!
I’ve enjoyed learning about and being part of major coin meltdowns and hoard discoveries. Though the silver dollar series ended in 1935, there were still lots of coins available. When the U.S. government removed the gold backing from our currency in 1973, I felt certain Silver dollars would remain popular for their bullion and numismatic values.
3.) Common-date graded and raw Morgan and Peace dollars in grades up to MS66 have had an amazing run recently, although they are still below their all-time highs from the late 1980′s. The remarkable rise in the price of silver clearly plays some role in this, especially for the lower-end BU coins whose price is more sensitive to the price of bullion. What do think is driving these increases? Do you believe they are driven in part by dealer promotions and telemarketers? Do you think these prices are sustainable, and do they still have more room to increase in the near future, as Laura Sperber of Legend recently predicted?
The coin market is typically driven by two forces: collectors and investors. From 1992 to 2005, collectors drove the coin market. Investor participation dramatically increased during 2010 and is strongly affecting the current market. Some of this investor interest is created by promotions and telemarketing.
Common date dollars are usually the first to rise in price, followed by all the better dates. As long as demand for silver remains strong and the overall economy improves, I see continued potential for price increases in all Morgan and Peace dollars.
4.) As prices for common-date silver dollars continue to rise, prices for lots of better date dollar coins appear to be undervalued. For example, 1881-S MS65′s graded by NGC or PCGS are retailing for about $230, while a 1903 MS65 is still $300, as it has been for a long time. Do you agree with this view, and are there any dates you would recommend besides what is listed on your web site?
There are definite disparities when looking at price levels of various dollar issues and grades. A few dates I think have special potential due to current pricing include: 1879-S R78 (MS-63, MS-64), 1892 (MS-63, MS-64), 1897-S (MS-64, MS-65), 1899-S (MS-63, MS-64), and 1902 (MS-64, MS-65). Buy these issues in NGC or PCGS holders.
5.) Do you have any other advice for Morgan dollar collectors?
I recommend collectors continue to hold better date issues and wait for the cycle to peak. I suspect better date dollars will increase in price between 50% and 200% within the next 3 years.
Postscript: Laura Sperber of Legend Numismatics posted a market report on April 29 in which she reversed her previous view on the near-term outlook for common-date, or generic, silver dollars. She said that current prices are being driven by telemarketer demand, that generic dollars are in a bubble, and that she recommends people sell now while prices are high. Although I agree with this view, I do not believe it changes the medium to long-term outlook for silver dollars, especially for better dates, as Mr. Estes explains. During the month of May the wholesale market for generic dollars has declined, as silver declined from almost $50 to about $35. But so far the retail and auction market has not yet caught up with the decline at the wholesale level. Over time, reduced demand at the wholesale level should drive retail prices down. Dealer buy prices already reflect the decline.
by Louis Golino
The Morgan silver dollar, minted between 1878 and 1921, has no real peer in the numismatic world. It is by far the most widely collected and traded numismatic coin in the world. Attend any coin show and you will quickly see that slabbed and raw Morgan dollars are everywhere. Look through the typical mail order dealer’s catalog or advertisement, or those of higher end dealers and auction houses, and again, you will encounter lots and lots of Morgan dollars. Peace dollars are popular too, and have the advantage of being a much shorter set that is not very hard to complete depending on the desired quality, but they have never been as widely collected as Morgan dollars.
There is certainly no shortage of Morgans in the marketplace. Hundreds of millions of the coins were minted in large part because of legislation that required them to be made in quantities that far exceeded what was needed for commerce. That is because there was a very powerful lobby in the late 19th and early 20th centuries that represented silver mining companies. In 1918, in an effort to prop up the price of silver, more than 270 million Morgan dollars were melted, and the silver bullion was sold to India. Millions more were melted later.
No records were kept of which coins were melted, so over the years numismatists have attempted to piece together estimates of surviving coins from various written sources. Even with all that melting, millions of the coins survive to this day. According to estimates by Q. David Bowers and other noted experts, there are 100 to 200 million Morgans and as many as 65 million mint state coins alone, with more than 10-15 million of them 1921 dollars.
As a result of all the overproduction of Morgans, some dates, especially the 1921 coins, as well as others such as the San Francisco mint marked coins from 1880-1882, are quite common even in high states of preservation. The 1921 coins are by far the most common, with more than 85 million minted between the Philadelphia, Denver and San Francisco mints. They were made from a different die than coins from 1878-1904 and are flatter and generally less attractive, especially the San Francisco coins which are very poorly struck.
Morgan dollars are an endlessly fascinating coin series. Completing the full set of approximately 100 coins, depending on whether or not one includes overdates and major die varieties, even in circulated grades is a daunting challenge, and for many a lifelong quest. Some people chose to build a date set and don’t worry about having one from every branch mint. Others focus on VAM’s, which are die varieties that are named after Leroy C. Van Allen and A. George Mallis. To acquire the scarcer dates, be prepared to spend substantial money even for lower grade coins. The 1895 only exists in proof, and the 1893-S is the rarest business strike issue, with fewer than 100 in existence.
Another very popular specialization is to collect only the coins minted in Carson City, Nevada, especially those still in their original black boxes from the General Services Administration. The GSA conducted a series of auctions and mail order sales of the coins from 1972 to 1980. Some of the Carson City coins, like the 1882-1884 issues are common in grades up to MS-66, but others are extremely rare, especially the 1889-CC, of which only one coin exists in the original GSA holder. When NGC grades the GSA-housed coins, it uses a blue and white band that goes around the holder with the grade indicated instead of removing the coin from its GSA box. But a larger number of CC coins on the marketplace are not housed in the black boxes and may have come from a different source than the GSA sales.
To collect Morgan dollars it is critical to understand the differences in key surface characteristics, especially strike, luster, and contact marks, associated with different branch mints and with coins of different years. To specialize in Morgans and build a collection of lasting value I strongly suggest consulting experts who have studied the coins for many years. Since most people can’t afford to pay for an expert consultation, or spend years studying the series before beginning a collection, it is helpful to rely on published sources. The best single one is Q. David Bowers’, Guidebook of Morgan Silver Dollars, now in its third edition.
Mr. Bowers is widely considered the dean of American numismatists, and is the most prolific coin author of all time having written well over 50 books. He became a coin dealer at the age of 17 and writes a weekly column for Coin World. He has bought and sold virtually ever major rarity and is the person who was chosen to appraise and sell by auction the greatest coin collections of all time, the Garrett and Eliasberg collections. Mr. Eliasberg, a Baltimore, Maryland banker, is the only person who ever owned a complete collection of American coins.
The prices in the third edition of his Morgan guide book from 2007 are now outdated, but the information on the history of the coins and especially the date-by-date and mint mark analysis is absolutely essential to building a solid collection. Coins of one year and branch mint were struck very well such as many from Philadelphia, whereas, for example, coins from New Orleans are notorious for their poor strikes, particularly in the obverse center of Miss Liberty’s hair just above her ear and on the reverse on the breast feathers. Coins from 1878, which are very popular, are made from different dies and always come with shallower breast feathers. There are also several major varieties of 1878 dollars based on the number of tail feathers on the eagle.
If a collector does not understand these points, he or she will not know what to look for in selecting a good coin for the grade. When I look at Morgans at a coin show or dealer’s store, I always zero in on the center of both sides, carefully studying the strike, luster, marks, and overall eye appeal, which is the most important factor when assessing a coin’s appearance. And before I look for a certain date, I make sure to consult Mr. Bowers guide book and other sources.
One also needs to know how to grade Morgans and to understand the differences between say an MS63 coin and an MS65 coin, which are substantial despite the two-point difference. In fact, the major coin grading companies were in many ways created because in the 1970′s and early 1980′s Morgan dollars were traded very widely by many coin dealers with subjective grading designations such as “Gem BU.” Subjective grading terms proliferated and prices for what seemed like the same grade varied dramatically. Some kind of more scientific approach was needed to protect the consumer and undergird the market.
The various published grading guides are very useful for learning the basics, but there is no substitute for seeing lots and lots of coins. One reason dealers tend to be better graders than collectors, which is not necessarily true if the collector is more advanced and experienced, is that they come across so many coins in the course of their work.
So many mint state Morgan dollars exist today in large part because they were saved over the years in canvas Treasury bags, where they knocked against each other when moved, and hoarded by people such as Lavere Redfield. This resulted in bag marks, contact marks and abrasions, and sometimes colorful toning even though they were never used in commerce. In 1962 the Treasury department discovered large quantities of Morgan dollars in bags that had been sitting around for decades, including the three million Carson City coins that were later sold by the GSA, and many previously scarce coins.
One of Mr. Bowers’ favorite tales is that of the 1903-O Morgan dollar, which in the 1960′s was the rarest Morgan dollar. Mr. Bowers said he never encountered a mint state one in his years as a young dealer. But in November 1962 when bags with hundreds of thousands of the coin in uncirculated condition were discovered, overnight the coin’s value plummeted from $1500 to $15. Today it is a mid-range date and sells for approximately $400 depending on the grade. In March 1964 the Treasury halted sales of Morgan dollar bags. By 1967 the New York Mercantile Exchange was trading bags of these coins for more than twice face value at a time when the price of silver was fixed at $1.29, as Mr. Bowers recounts in a new book on precious metals called “Precious Metal,” which I plan to review soon.
In the second part of this article (Click Here), I will interview one of the most experienced Morgan dollar dealers in the country, professional numismatist Steve Estes of Portland, Orgeon. I will ask him about the recent explosion in prices for common-date uncirculated coins and whether he thinks those prices are sustainable and other issues.
Louis Golino is a coin collector and numismatic writer, whose articles on coins have appeared in Coin World, Numismatic News, and a number of different coin web sites. He collects U.S. and European coins and is a member of the ANA, PCGS, NGC, and CAC. He has also worked for the U.S. Library of Congress and has been a syndicated columnist and news analyst on international affairs for a wide variety of newspapers and web sites.
Posted by Steve Roach on February 22, 2011 8:45 AM
By Steve Roach - http://www.steveroachonline.com
First published in the March 7, 2011, Special Edition of Coin World
The Morgan dollar is widely traded at all levels, from the top-grade rarities that sell in the high-six figures for investment portfolios to the low-grade polished coins that trade in bulk as collectible alternatives to silver bullion.
he top end of the Morgan dollar market is healthy, with expensive coins in the $5,000 to $250,000 level finding buyers when appearing at auction and bidders paying extra when a top-quality coin meets their requirements.
For example, at the Jan. 5 Heritage Florida United Numismatists auction, an 1893-S Morgan dollar graded About Uncirculated 58 sold for $80,500. Between 2008 and 2009, four AU-58 examples appeared at auction, with prices realized ranging from $21,850 to $46,000.
In contrast, an MS-64 example sold at the Jan. 5 Heritage auction for $218,500, while at the 2009 FUN Heritage auction, two 1893-S Morgan dollars sold for $299,000 — one was graded MS-64 by Professional Coin Grading Service, another Mint State 65 by Numismatic Guaranty Corp.
It can’t be stressed enough: When dealing with five-figure plus coins, a one size fits all approach to pricing does not work as the quality of a coin within a given grade matters more than ever in today’s market.
Yet, for the collector on a budget, a PCGS Genuine 1893-S Morgan dollar sold at Heritage’s Feb. 4 auction for $1,265. While it had the .94 suffix, indicating Altered Surfaces, from the picture it looked decent enough to not cause embarrassment if added to one’s collection. (See image)
Beautiful rainbow toned Morgan dollars continue to see astonishing prices, such as the 1883 Morgan dollar graded MS-65 that sold for $1,725 at Heritage’s Jan. 6 auction, more than 10 times what a brilliant example in the same grade would bring.
One area that has shown remarkable movement in the last year has been certified Mint State generic coins — “generic” indicating a coin that does not trade for a premium because of its date.
As of Jan. 26, examples certified by PCGS and NGC are trading wholesale for $45 in MS-63, $65 in MS-64, $138 in MS-65, $230 in MS-66 and $565 in MS-67, provided that they are untoned, or nearly so. For comparison, last year at this time the wholesale pricing was: MS-63, $35; MS-64, $44; MS-65, $112; MS-66, $210; and MS-67 $630.
While MS-64 examples have increased nearly 50 percent in the last year, MS-67 examples have declined 10 percent. Of course, a broader range of collectors — and would-be collectors that marketers can target — can afford MS-64 coins, and marketers know this.
For many collectors, an MS-67 Morgan dollar is a coin easily found that can wait for better economic times.
Circulated Morgan dollars are also showing a healthy market, with dealers paying $30 for “sliders” — choice About Uncirculated coins that can pass as Uncirculated to untrained eyes — and $34 for solid Mint State coins. For comparison, this is the same price that certified MS-61 and MS-62 coins are trading for in wholesale markets.
Silver Repeal Downsized Morgan Mintages
| By Paul M. Green, Numismatic News November 23, 2010 |

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The 1894 Morgan dollar is a low-mintage date from the main facility in Philadelphia. With tough dates from Philadelphia being the exception instead of the rule, the 1894 is an interesting story for anyone interested in Morgan dollars.
The story really begins on Nov. 1, 1893, as that was the date when the July 14, 1890, silver purchasing clause was repealed. The clause had been the legal basis for purchasing large amounts of silver to be made into silver dollars. With that clause, the silver to be potentially used to make silver dollars was limited to a number of regular and smaller sources. That meant large silver dollar mintages were a thing of the past, and the impact of the change was seen almost immediately in small mintage totals for 1893 to be followed by other low totals.
At the time of the repeal, the country was almost buried in silver dollars. The June 1893 edition of The Numismatist reported that it “would require 250 freight cars to carry away the $93,000,000 of silver dollars stored up in a single vault of the U.S. Treasury.”
Under these circumstances, it is no surprise that the 1894 would have a mintage of just 110,000 pieces. It is also not surprising that the 1894 was not likely released in large numbers in 1894. In addition to the surplus of silver dollars, the country was also experiencing tough economic times. While the 1893 depression was easing, the economy was still very uncertain. There was also a real weakness in the rare coin market of the day, according to published reports. Even with the second-lowest business strike total in the Morgan dollar set, there was little if any demand for the 1894 from the nation’s collectors and dealers.
Precisely what happened to the 110,000 1894 Morgan dollars is an interesting question. It is possible that some of the mintage might have been destroyed in the Pittman Act melting in 1918.
Thanks to its mintage, the 1894 seems to be a date that was quickly recognized as being better. As bags would appear from Treasury vaults, they were more likely to be noticed and saved. However, the numbers are still sparse.
There are no real supplies of the 1894 in any grade. We can see that reflected in a VG-8 price of $1,425. There are very few other Morgan dollars that top $1,000 in VG-8.
The 1894 does not really get any more available in higher grades. In MS-60, it lists at $3,650. In MS-65, the current price is $49,000. The one good thing is that the 1894 is usually very nice in upper grades.
It may not command the top-grade prices as some others do, but don’t be fooled. The 1894 is tough in any grade and one of the real keys to the set.
What’s It Worth? How dealers determine the value of a Rare Coin.
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By Vic Bozarth on Monday, October 11, 2010
Filed Under: Featured, Market Reports & Prices, Tips for New Collectors, US Coins
By Vic Bozarth – Bozarth Rare Coin Market Report
How are rare coin prices determined? Often the question dealers will ask is: “I know what Greysheet (Coin Dealer Newsletter bid) is, but what can I ‘really’ get for it?”
In this month’s Rare Coin Market Report, I will explain how I determine the value of an individual coin. Most often I will use a variety of different pricing sources to determine the value of a coin.
The most utilized source of rare coin pricing information among dealers are the variety of Coin Dealer Newsletter publications including Greysheet, Bluesheet, Monthly Summary, and the Quarterly Supplements. Dealers also use CCE, which is the Certified Coin Exchange. Coin World Trends, Collectors Universe prices, Redbook, and Coin Prices are also utilized.
In the last several years auction prices realized have become one of the most useful and often misunderstood sources of pricing information. Let me explain a little bit about all of these different sources before I explain how I use them.
CDN’s multiple publications include the Greysheet, Bluesheet, Monthly Summary, and Quarterly price sheets.
The Greysheet and Bluesheet are weekly publications and list many of the most frequently traded U.S. rare coins, BUT the values they list vary significantly.
Basically Greysheet lists sight seen bids for attractive coins. Bluesheet lists sight unseen bids for coins that might not be that attractive although they are graded correctly. Because I am looking for attractive coins, I often have to pay Greysheet bid or more for an attractive coin. If someone offers me a coin I don’t particularly like I am going to check the ‘bid’ on Bluesheet to see what the ‘basal’ value really is.
Depending on the particular coin the difference between the Greysheet and Bluesheet can vary as much as 70%. Yes, 70%!
CDN Monthly Summary is published each month and includes more of the frequently traded U.S. rare coins by date and grade including the early twentieth century gold series and most of the classic twentieth century collector series.
One of the three different CDN Quarterly issues come out every month and the three include all the other U.S. rare coin series by date. The Quarterly One issue contains half cents through quarters. The Quarterly Two contains halves through $3 gold coins. The Quarterly Three contains prices for $5 Liberty through $20 Liberty Gold Coins.
All prices for the Monthly Summary and Quarterly price sheets are for sight seen coins. There is also a supplement included with each month’s Quarterly Supplement that has prices for Proof coins not listed in the Quarterly Supplements.
Certified Coin Exchange is a dealer to dealer network owned by Collectors Universe/PCGS. Dealers pay a monthly service charge to actively bid or access the bidding information on this system. The bids are ‘live’ during the main business hours, roughly 11 to 4, Monday through Friday depending on what time zone you are in. These live bids are either S, sight seen or U, sight unseen. CCE also includes a couple of other marketing areas as well as the newer variation of the old dealer ‘teletype’ network.
Much of the information for CDN/Coin Dealer Newsletter bids comes directly from CCE. S-Sight seen bids are for coins that can be returned if the buying dealer feels they aren’t nice for the grade. U-Sight-unseen bids are for anything in the proper grade in the designated holders with no return privilege. Bids for PCGS and NGC coins are predominate although there are bids for ICG and ANACS coins.
Coin World Trends, Coin Universe prices, and Coin Values are all ‘retail’ pricing guides. Although the prices listed are GENERALLY what one would expect to pay for a NICE collector coin, I as a dealer often pay more than these supposed ‘retail’ prices for especially scarce or elusive coins.
Many of the more modern items are listed, but the values are quite subjective. Information updates are often neglected in these price sources. Many times, especially in rising or falling markets, the prices are just wrong. The Redbook or Guide to United States Coins is a fantastic source of information, BUT it is published ONCE a year and the values are geared towards the casual collector.
The last and most misunderstood source of pricing information are the ‘Auction Prices Realized’. The biggest U.S. rare coin auction houses sell thousands of coins each year at public auction. These prices most often include a 15% buyer’s fee. The information is incredibly valuable, but misinterpretation is really a problem. For a fee, you can access APR information on the PCGS website. PCGS compiles and lists coins by date and grade and has APR numbers for coins going back roughly fifteen years. Heritage Auctions have sold the most certified coins at auction and therefore their database is the largest individual auction company source. I use both the PCGS APR listings and the Heritage APR listings especially when determining an infrequently traded coin’s value.
Are you confused yet? You should be-HA! Many full time dealers don’t really understand the nuances that come with determining a coin value. If they can buy it at Bluesheet-sight unseen bid-they feel ‘safe’ because they haven’t paid any premium over the basal value. If they are only willing to pay Bluesheet numbers they are invariably going to get a high percentage of ‘ugly’ sight unseen coins. The problem with buying bargain basement material always comes down to this: YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!
To illustrate how I determine the value of a coin I am going to give you two examples. The first is for a frequently traded coin that exists in relatively large quantities, but has a huge demand. The second coin I am going to use as an example is a rare coin that might only come on the market once or twice every couple of years. Determining the value of the first coin is easy. On the second coin I will utilize virtually all the pricing sources I have mentioned previously. From that data, I will then determine both a price that I am willing to pay for that coin as well as a price I feel is fair to my customer.
Coin Number One: 1885CC Morgan Dollar MS65 PCGS. Although the 1885CC Morgan Dollar in MS65 is roughly a $1000 coin in MS65, it isn’t particularly rare but it is scarce and it has a huge demand. Not only do people love Morgans, but Carson City Morgans sell like ‘hotcakes’. Nice CC Morgans are out there, but the difference between an average coin and sight unseen coin is easily 20%. Let’s look at the bids and then I will make some observations.
Coin One:
1885CC Morgan Dollar MS65 PCGS. Mintage: 228,000. PCGS/NGC total population MS65: 5366
- G/S $900
- B/S $830
- CCE Sight $890
- CCE Sight-unseen $830
- C/W Trends $1250
- Coin Universe $1200
The prices vary as much as 33%. A pretty sight seen coin will cost me between $875 and a $950 to purchase in the wholesale market. To make a profit, I will charge between $1025 and $1100 for a NICE coin. If you want a sight unseen coin, I can probably sell you one for about $925 or less.
Don’t make the bargain hunter mistake. Yes, you can save $100 to $175 buying a sight unseen coin, but someday you are going to want to SELL that sight unseen coin. Sight unseen coins don’t magically become nicer sight seen coins. Both dealers and collectors are looking for NICE coins with eye appeal. Don’t settle for average. You will PAY for it in the long run.
Coin Two
1866 $3 Gold AU58 PCGS. Mintage: 4000. PCGS/NGC total population for AU58: 77.
- Greysheet Bid (for a common $3 Gold type coin): $1475
- Greysheet Quarterly Bid (for the date): $2575
- Bluesheet Bid: N/A
- Coin World Trends: AU55: $2500 MS60: 4000
- Coin Universe price: $3700
- Auction Prices Realized (last two years): $2875, 3450, 3450-N, 3910-N, 3565, 3450.
The prices listed vary significantly especially between the Greysheet ‘date’ bid and the Greysheet ‘type’ bid. The ‘type’ or common bid price is for the most common date in the series while the ‘dated’ CDN Quarterly bid reflects the price for a coin with a tiny original mintage with true scarcity. The ‘type’ bid does provide a basal value, but for this illustration is not pertinent.
Both Coin World Trends and Coin Universe prices are supposed ‘retail’ prices for the date, but for a low population coin with a mintage of only 4000 they are actually a little low. The Auction Prices Realized are all over the place. How do I determine the value?
After looking at the ‘bids’ for the date I refer to the APR-Auction Prices Realized. First I see how many have sold at auction in the last several years. If the prices realized fall into a tight range, my job is easier. If several have sold for roughly the same price and this price range fall between the ‘dated CDN Quarterly bid and the Coin World Trends or Coin Universe prices, then there is a good chance that the coin is worth roughly what they have sold for at auction. Basically an ugly coin will be worth less and a pretty coin will be worth more.
If the prices realized have both a wide range and don’t fall between the CDN Quarterly bid price and Trends Coin Universe prices, then the price determination becomes more difficult. Several questions should be asked that may or may not be answerable.
First, did one or two examples fall significantly out of the price range?
Second, did several sell during the same time period or in the same auction? Lots of factors drive the bids in an auction, but the biggest factor is whether the buyer paid a premium because they thought the coin would grade higher.
Third, if several coins are sold in the same auction that possibly came out of a little hoard or collection, an ugly coin could bring significantly less. In addition, several examples of the same scarce coin coming on the market at the same time can depress the price realized.
Here is what I see when I examine the Auction Prices Realized. The $3910 was an exceptionally nice coin or a potential breakout. The $2875 coin was an ‘ugly’ example. The other four prices all fall within a tight range. CDN Quarterly bid is $2575. Collectors Universe price is $3700. Coin World Trends is somewhere between $2500 and $4000. The four coins in the mid price range are probably attractive coins for the grade. An attractive example is worth somewhere between $2700 and $3100 wholesale and, if priced fairly should bring $3400 to $3800 for an attractive coin.
Remember ‘bids’ are just numbers on paper or a computer screen. This is a coin I just purchased recently. I paid $2800 and ‘flipped’ it to another dealer for $3000. Both myself and another dealer were willing to pay more than CDN Quarterly bid ($2575) for this coin.
For this example the 15% buyer’s premium has to be taken into consideration also. Many folks don’t understand how this 15% or ‘juice’ affects the value of a coin. Often times this 15% is split between the auction house and the consignor. Often times a dealer consigning a coin to auction will actually get between 1.05 to 1.08 of the 1.15 that includes the hammer price and the 15% buyers fee. In other words, the consignor is actually getting a little more than the ‘hammer’ price. The auction house is willing to give up part of their 15% to secure nicer consignments.
Where does CAC fall into the mix? CAC was founded in 2007 to ‘sticker’ coins that met their requirements for both nice eye appeal and correct technical grade. Basically, they are grading the graders. CAC coins bring more money. Frankly, I feel they should. CAC has done an excellent job of ‘stickering’ coins that are not only nice for the grade, but totally original. CAC coins often bring between 5% and 50% more than current bid levels on a wholesale basis depending on the particular issue.
The information I have provided today is very subjective. A nice coin will generally bring more whereas an ugly or darkly toned coin will bring less. There are dozens of additional considerations to determining the value of a coin. My goal with this article has been to provide you the consumer with an insider look at how a dealer values a coin.
Comments and questions are always appreciated. My methodology isn’t ‘rocket’ science, but these procedures have served me well over the last couple of decades. When pricing a coin, the quality of the coin itself should be paramount. I often pay ‘WAY OVER’ bid levels for an exceptional coin. Don’t be afraid to pay extra for an exceptional coin. Most often those are the coins I sell first!
Bozarth Numismatics offers hundreds of rare U.S. coins on their website bozarthcoins.com or via eBay each month. We attend over 40 shows a year and write another column each month called Rare Coin Road Warrior. You can view either our Rare Coin Market Report or Rare Coin Road Warrior articles each month on our website bozarthcoins.com or at coinlink.com.
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By CoinLink on Monday, September 20, 2010
Veteran numismatists may remember the great rush on silver dollars that occurred during the early 1960s. For generations these coins had laid undisturbed in Treasury and Federal Reserve vaults, serving primarily as a backing for silver certificates. When, in 1935, Congress changed the written obligation appearing on silver certificates so that the notes could be redeemed “in silver” instead of in “silver dollars,” production of these coins ceased. Only in the far western states were silver dollars used in daily commerce, and even collectors showed little interest in Morgan and Peace Dollars.
Starting about 1958, however, the number of silver dollars being withdrawn from government vaults increased annually, reaching a fever pitch in 1963-64. In November 1962, during an annual distribution, it was discovered that there were some rare and valuable dates, still sealed in their original mint bags, all in uncirculated condition, among the millions of dollar coins still in the Treasury vaults.
Following the discovery of previously scarce dates. Collectors/investors/dealers lined up to purchase them in $1,000 bags, trading silver certificates for the coins.
Lines stretching for blocks formed around the Treasury Department headquarters in Washington, as speculators bought up silver certificates to redeem them for $1000 bags of “cartwheels.” In March of 1964 the Treasury, after having discovered many bags of scarce CC dollars, stopped redeeming silver certificates with silver dollars, offering bars or granules in their place. After June 24, 1968 the redemption of silver certificates in silver ceased altogether, though the notes remain legal tender to this day.
The Treasury then inventoried its remaining stock of dollar coins, and found approximately 3,000 bags containing 3 million coins. Many of the remaining coins were Carson City mint dollars, which even then carried a premium. These coins were turned over to The General Services Administration (GSA) for sorting , marketing and disposal at a profit to the government. The GSA sorted the coins into several categories, the most populous of which was the “Uncirculated CC” and in a series of sales lasting from to 1973 to 1980, the dollar hoard was dispersed via auction and fixed prices.
1971 Video of Transportation, and Sorting of GSA Dollar Hoard
Five sales were conducted in 1973 and 1974, but sales were poor, and the results unspectacular. There was much complaining among the coin buying public, many stating that the United States Government should not be in the “coin business”, especially considering that the government had spent little more than a dollar to mint and store each coin. After these sales, more than a million coins were still left unsold.
This remaining hoard, mostly Morgan Dollars minted at Carson City (CC) sat until 1979-1980, where, amidst an extraordinarily volatile precious metals market, the remaining coins were sold under chaotic conditions. The GSA, having published minimum bids in November 1979, announced on January 2, 1980, that those minimum bids were no longer valid, and that prospective bidders would have to “call in” to a toll free number to get current minimum bids. Then, on February 21, 13 days after the bidding process officially began, the maximum number of coins per bidder was changed from 500 to 35. Many bidders, under these confusing conditions, ended up with no coins at all. Complaints again flooded in to Congress, but the damage had already been done, and the last silver dollars held by the United States Treasury were gone.Sealed in rigid plastic holders and boxed with a message from then President Richard M. Nixon, these silver dollars account for most of the mint state CC Morgans known today.




